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[Mike213]

It normally takes at least a month for me to I’m in Maryland. I understand the dealers and installers get it 1st.

 

[Techthusiasm]

I keep looking, but haven't seen it yet. I will get a video out on the channel ASAP.

 

[J.Green]

HDMI CEC and Compliance (Strato V, E, and M)
We have added HDMI CEC for Strato V, E, and M players, allowing the Kaleidescape remote to control volume and toggle power of the connected AVR or display.

HDMI CEC is not enabled by default. To enable HDMI CEC, go to the Browser Interface, navigate to Settings, Components, and then select the Settings button beneath the player you want to enable. In the pop-up window, select the Control tab and check the Enable HDMI CEC box.

Just a bit of expanded information about HDMI CEC support in the kOS 10.23.0 release.

This feature is still in a Beta phase and improved support will be added in future kOS versions. There is a table of supported features along with small set of frequently asked questions posted on our Support site at https://www.kaleidescape.com/support/article/HDMI-CEC-Frequently-Asked-Questions. I've reposted the FAQ questions here but not reproduced the table. Please follow the link to the support site to see the table.

Frequently Asked Questions​

My display does not power on when I press the Power button on the KREMOTE​

Some displays (for example, LG displays) must be configured to power on to the most recently used input for the display to turn on when the Strato leaves standby.

My display does not power off when I press the Power button on the KREMOTE​

The HDMI CEC support in kOS 10.23.0 does not support the sending of power off commands to downstream devices.

I have enabled HDMI CEC on my LG display but the KREMOTE volume buttons are not working​

LG displays currently ignore HDMI CEC volume commands.

HDMI CEC support for color keys.​

Some display remotes include four color buttons. In kOS these buttons have been mapped to HDMI CEC commands as follows:

• Blue:
  • OSD: Activates the Kaleidescape Menu
  • Playback: Activates the status overlay
  • Equivalent to KEY_DISC_OR_KALEIDESCAPE_MENU IR command
• Red:
  • OSD & Playback: Operates as a "Back" button
  • Equivalent to KEY_BACK IR command
• Green:
  • OSD: Activates the Kaleidescape Menu
  • Playback: Activates the status overlay
  • Equivalent to KEY_DISPLAY_INFORMATION_OR_MENU IR command
• Yellow:
  • OSD: Initiates a Library or OSD Store search depending on which place is active
  • Playback: No effect
  • Equivalent to KEY_SHOW_SEARCH IR command

NOTE: Some display devices may require additional settings tweaks to enable support for these commands. For example, on Samsung displays, you may need to enable the "Input Settings Plus" feature on the HDMI port to which the Strato is connected.

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[MikeKobb]

With this update is there any chance of leveraging CEC for volume control via the iOS app?

Not yet, but perhaps eventually. With this release, the player won't tell the app that volume control is supported just based on CEC, so the app won't display the controls.

 

[Techthusiasm]

My system is updated now. I will try to get video made and uploaded ASAP. There's so much Kaleidescape content this week!

 

[josh]

Just a bit of expanded information about HDMI CEC support in the kOS 10.23.0 release.

This feature is still in a Beta phase and improved support will be added in future kOS versions. There is a table of supported features along with small set of frequently asked questions posted on our Support site at https://www.kaleidescape.com/support/article/HDMI-CEC-Frequently-Asked-Questions. I've reposted the FAQ questions here but not reproduced the table. Please follow the link to the support site to see the table.

Frequently Asked Questions​

My display does not power on when I press the Power button on the KREMOTE​

Some displays (for example, LG displays) must be configured to power on to the most recently used input for the display to turn on when the Strato leaves standby.

My display does not power off when I press the Power button on the KREMOTE​

The HDMI CEC support in kOS 10.23.0 does not support the sending of power off commands to downstream devices.

I have enabled HDMI CEC on my LG display but the KREMOTE volume buttons are not working​

LG displays currently ignore HDMI CEC volume commands.

HDMI CEC support for color keys.​

Some display remotes include four color buttons. In kOS these buttons have been mapped to HDMI CEC commands as follows:

• Blue:
  • OSD: Activates the Kaleidescape Menu
  • Playback: Activates the status overlay
  • Equivalent to KEY_DISC_OR_KALEIDESCAPE_MENU IR command
• Red:
  • OSD & Playback: Operates as a "Back" button
  • Equivalent to KEY_BACK IR command
• Green:
  • OSD: Activates the Kaleidescape Menu
  • Playback: Activates the status overlay
  • Equivalent to KEY_DISPLAY_INFORMATION_OR_MENU IR command
• Yellow:
  • OSD: Initiates a Library or OSD Store search depending on which place is active
  • Playback: No effect
  • Equivalent to KEY_SHOW_SEARCH IR command

NOTE: Some display devices may require additional settings tweaks to enable support for these commands. For example, on Samsung displays, you may need to enable the "Input Settings Plus" feature on the HDMI port to which the Strato is connected.

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Excited to try this at our vacation house when i have time. The bummer for me is that "The HDMI CEC support in kOS 10.23.0 does not support the sending of power off commands to downstream devices."
However, I can work around this by just getting Home Assistant to do that function for me... watching for the Strato to power off and sending the IP command to power off the Marantz. I've already been doing that. Ultimately, I sure hope that they do enable CEC power-off sending to receivers/TVs.

But if this works as I think it should, that home should be able to be one-remote usable by guests and family to do anything they need with the Kaleidescape remote and the Apple TV remote. (The latter works perfectly right now).

Will try it soon I hope.

 

[artur9]

.... The bummer for me is that "The HDMI CEC support in kOS 10.23.0 does not support the sending of power off commands to downstream devices."
However, I can work around this by just getting Home Assistant to do that function for me... watching for the Strato to power off and sending the IP command...

I'm slowly working through doing something similar with openhab. Pain point for me was my Ayre preamp being IR only (Global Cache to the rescue).

If I can detect the Strato turning on, then I can use openhab to turn everything else on. My concern was volume control - thankfully K has solved that for me with CEC

 

[joey_corleone]

I noticed my home assistant automations stopped working today, which only happens when the Strato was rebooted, so I took a look.

Sure enough, my system says it updated this morning to 10.23.1-26489

I didn’t catch any release notes for this one. Anyone know what was updated?

 

[J.Green]

I didn’t catch any release notes for this one. Anyone know what was updated?

10.23.1 is a small patch release with a couple of small bug fixes:

• Prevent a small power spike to the SSDs of the Mini Terra Prime when cold-booted
• Change to kOS networking to ignore invalid fixed IP addresses (e.g. "0.0.0.0") which would result in devices being knocked off of the network..

 

[LoveCinema]

10.23.1 is a small patch release with a couple of small bug fixes:

BTW, I can always tell when my K updates to new software because my Strato C turns off afterwards. Try to watch K? Blank screen? Must have been updated. I must physically push the power button on the front of the unit. 100% of the time following updates.

Is this normal? Am I missing an auto-restart setting somewhere? I've still got years of warranty left so just wondering if this is something I'll need to work with Support on eventually...

 

[dinom]

Do you keep all your other sources turned on constantly?

 

[LoveCinema]

Do you keep all your other sources turned on constantly?

No, some devices like my Blu-ray player are generally turned off. CEC disabled everywhere. I use Control4 to power that on/off devices that aren't running 24/7. Strato C going turning off after an update happens is isolation with no other devices being interacted with.

 

[dinom]

I use Control4 for my theater as well with my Strato C and I’m not sure I follow the issue that you’re seeing. Are you saying if you don’t physically press the power button on the front of the Strato (after a firmware update) then Control4 cannot turn it on via IP? If that’s the case then I’m not seeing the same issue.

 

[LoveCinema]

I use Control4 for my theater as well with my Strato C and I’m not sure I follow the issue that you’re seeing. Are you saying if you don’t physically press the power button on the front of the Strato (after a firmware update) then Control4 cannot turn it on via IP? If that’s the case then I’m not seeing the same issue.

Interesting point. I'm quite sure my Strato C is always on and only goes to sleep without me sending a discrete power toggle command (I only ever see the full boot process after an upgrade or if I'm doing a web-issued restart for some reason). So are you saying you issue discrete commands to power on/off each time the Strato C is used?

Is this saying that it's normal for a Strato C to power down after an update but since you issue a power toggle every time you use it you wouldn't see this?

 

[dinom]

If your Control4 system is programmed properly, when you select "Watch Kaleidescape" it should automatically issue a discrete power on to the Strato C (waking it from sleep) and select the proper input on your AVR/TV. And then when you turn off the room with the remote, the Strato C should go back to sleep (and the front panel light should go out). If it's not doing that, then something is off with your C4 configuration/programming.

When you select Watch Kaleidescape" does your TV/AVR automatically switch to the correct HDMI input, or do you need to manually select that too? Everything should be automatic with Control4, and you should not have to issue any additional commands (power toggles, etc.) to make it work.

Hope this helps.

 

[dinom]

And you are correct, if the Strato is waking itself to perform a firmware update, and then going back to sleep, I would never notice as my Strato C is only fully turned on when I am actively watching content in the room.

 

[LoveCinema]

If your Control4 system is programmed properly, when you select "Watch Kaleidescape" it should automatically issue a discrete power on to the Strato C (waking it from sleep) and select the proper input on your AVR/TV. And then when you turn off the room with the remote, the Strato C should go back to sleep (and the front panel light should go out). If it's not doing that, then something is off with your C4 configuration/programming.

To clarify, my Strato C does not go into a state of Sleep after a software update. It powers down completely, the same as physically pressing and holding down the power button until you hear it shut down. In this state, following a software update, if I go to my-kaleidescape.local and look at Settings, no Movie Players appear (Strato C is my only player). My Terras are there, but the Strato C is not. Nothing that is issued as part of my "Watch Kaleidescape" activity has any effect on the player. I must physically go to it and press the power button at which point it powers up, re-appears on my-kaleidescape.local, and can be used.

It sounds like this is unexpected. I'll see if I can add a discrete "Power On" button to my remote to see if that helps mitigate the issue until I pick this up with Support. I suppose I missed my chance to test this today as I already powered it on. Next quarter it is!

 

[JohnJ]

I have never had my Strato C totally power down after an update.

John

 

[Furnace Inferno]

To clarify, my Strato C does not go into a state of Sleep after a software update. It powers down completely, the same as physically pressing and holding down the power button until you hear it shut down. In this state, following a software update, if I go to my-kaleidescape.local and look at Settings, no Movie Players appear (Strato C is my only player). My Terras are there, but the Strato C is not. Nothing that is issued as part of my "Watch Kaleidescape" activity has any effect on the player. I must physically go to it and press the power button at which point it powers up, re-appears on my-kaleidescape.local, and can be used.

It sounds like this is unexpected. I'll see if I can add a discrete "Power On" button to my remote to see if that helps mitigate the issue until I pick this up with Support. I suppose I missed my chance to test this today as I already powered it on. Next quarter it is!

What is your usual standby state set to on the player itself, high power or low power? Probably not that as I’d assume it would go into deep sleep after a while even if you didn’t power off but maybe not if you don’t have a power off command and the update does put it to full standby.

 

[Darin]

BTW, I can always tell when my K updates to new software because my Strato C turns off afterwards. Try to watch K? Blank screen? Must have been updated. I must physically push the power button on the front of the unit. 100% of the time following updates.

Is this normal? Am I missing an auto-restart setting somewhere? I've still got years of warranty left so just wondering if this is something I'll need to work with Support on eventually...

Interesting. My Strato V was not responding to my Unfolded Circle Remote 3 commands tonight until I rebooted the remote and I didn't know why. Then I coincidently stumbled across your post. Checked my system and the update was installed yesterday.