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Modular Disc Vault (KVAULT-10)

Jim, Tom B:
I've got a question about Blu-ray start times. I'm seeing around 8 - 10 seconds for nearly every title. (Played from content that is stored and disc-in-vault.) I've read (from Jim's earlier comments) about start times closer to the 5-6 second mark. Granted, we're not talking about 0-60 times of super cars here, and the extra 3-4 seconds is pretty irrelevant, but I was wondering if there is a beta version of KEOS that he has or if it is just network or disc dependent? I'm running version 4.1.0-8897. I've tried probably a dozen discs with a stopwatch, and I don't think any of them have broken the 8 second mark. Just curious..... Thanks in advance!
John Sciacca
 
jmdls said:
Jim, Tom B:
I've got a question about Blu-ray start times. I'm seeing around 8 - 10 seconds for nearly every title. (Played from content that is stored and disc-in-vault.) I've read (from Jim's earlier comments) about start times closer to the 5-6 second mark. Granted, we're not talking about 0-60 times of super cars here, and the extra 3-4 seconds is pretty irrelevant, but I was wondering if there is a beta version of KEOS that he has or if it is just network or disc dependent? I'm running version 4.1.0-8897. I've tried probably a dozen discs with a stopwatch, and I don't think any of them have broken the 8 second mark. Just curious..... Thanks in advance!
John Sciacca
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Hi John, I'm running the same software version, but I have the "special" disc vaults and this accounts for the increased playback speeds.:D

Seriously, not sure what accounts for the difference, or if there really is a difference. I received your PM as well, and if you don't mind, please provide the names of a couple of recent titles and I'll check those asap. I do have some titles that are certainly in the range you quoted, and perhaps that is more the norm. I have not rechecked start times since looking at those first few immediately after installation of the vaults. I'd be happy to do so and post my findings. (I do however stand by those times as I used a stop watch as well.) (BTW, I know you are not questioning my post, just letting us know what you are finding in your system. :))


Jim
 
Blu-ray play times from vault/server

Jim:
Definitely not questioning your post, as you said. Just finishing my review and naturally curious. Here are some load times for movies I've tried. Again, for benchmarking, all discs imported and loaded into vault. I started the timer from the moment I pressed "Play Movie" and stopped it the second an image appeared. Here's some times.... (all times in seconds and tenths of seconds):

Batman Begins: 10.50
Iron Man: 12.30
XMen 3: 13.20
Wall-E: 9.47
Play Short Presto on Wall-E: 8.30
Toy Story 3: 9.87
John Mayer Where Light Is: 11.05
Dave Matthews & Tim Reynolds: 10.90
Casino Royale: 10.81

Let the server races begin! :)
John
 
I can check all of those titles, except John Mayer. I'll report back. Also, just for clarity, I timed it from pressing Play and until ANY image appeared on the screen, including the Studio logo (I'm sure that's what you are indicating as well).

Jim
 
cinelife said:
I can check all of those titles, except John Mayer. I'll report back. Also, just for clarity, I timed it from pressing Play and until ANY image appeared on the screen, including the Studio logo (I'm sure that's what you are indicating as well).

Jim
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Yes, I stopped time when ANY image on the screen (generally the logo). I don't know that pressing play on the cover art (or list or whatever) would be faster/different than the method I used (covert art browsing, selecting a cover, scrolling down to "Play Movie," pressing "Enter" on Play Movie option) but perhaps pressing "Play" is a bit quicker...? Either way, we'll find out. Could come down to Network robustness or something. I have the M500 and 1U server connected to the same NetGear Gigabit switch, but maybe other network traffic in my system would affect results? Curious to see the times you clock really just for curiosity sake. Probably like everything else in life, individual results may vary, and if mine is 2 seconds slower than yours, I'll still be able to sleep at night! :)
John
 
Slightly off topic, but I noticed you imported Toy Story 3. I tried to import the DVD version of this title yesterday and it says "DVD cannot be imported"...I didn't even get the coverart when I loaded it in the disc tray. Don't suppose you have the DVD version of this as well, see if it will import in your system?
 
brodricj said:
Slightly off topic, but I noticed you imported Toy Story 3. I tried to import the DVD version of this title yesterday and it says "DVD cannot be imported"...I didn't even get the coverart when I loaded it in the disc tray. Don't suppose you have the DVD version of this as well, see if it will import in your system?
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I just tested this with my DVD copy (I already loaded the BR copy). It was recognized and started importing without any problem. This is the DVD copy that is in the 2-Disc + dig.copy BR edition. Not sure why you copy isn't working.

Jim
 
jmdls said:
Jim:
Definitely not questioning your post, as you said. Just finishing my review and naturally curious. Here are some load times for movies I've tried. Again, for benchmarking, all discs imported and loaded into vault. I started the timer from the moment I pressed "Play Movie" and stopped it the second an image appeared. Here's some times.... (all times in seconds and tenths of seconds):

Batman Begins: 10.50
Iron Man: 12.30
XMen 3: 13.20
Wall-E: 9.47
Play Short Presto on Wall-E: 8.30
Toy Story 3: 9.87
John Mayer Where Light Is: 11.05
Dave Matthews & Tim Reynolds: 10.90
Casino Royale: 10.81

Let the server races begin! :)
John
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I thought I had already loaded all of the BR you mentioned (except Mayer), but apparently I haven't gotten to a few yet. (I'll test the others later.)

So far this is what I've tested, and the results (I used my iPhone stopwatch):

Ironman: 6.9 (your time 12.30)
Wall-E: 5.8 (your time 9.47)
Toy Story3: 6.7 (your time 9.87)
Casino Royal: 5.6 (your time 10.81)

I'm now wondering if the differences we see within our systems isn't related to the LAN equipment/setup we use????? (I use PakEdge gear with a dedicated VLAN setup to only work the K components.)


Jim
 
cinelife said:
I thought I had already loaded all of the BR you mentioned (except Mayer), but apparently I haven't gotten to a few yet. (I'll test the others later.)

So far this is what I've tested, and the results (I used my iPhone stopwatch):

Ironman: 6.9 (your time 12.30)
Wall-E: 5.8 (your time 9.47)
Toy Story3: 6.7 (your time 9.87)
Casino Royal: 5.6 (your time 10.81)

I'm now wondering if the differences we see within our systems isn't related to the LAN equipment/setup we use????? (I use PakEdge gear with a dedicated VLAN setup to only work the K components.) Could that make a difference??


Jim
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Wow! Those times are smoking fast! Also a lot more consisten. You have like a 1 second spread between all times, and I have as much as 4. Interesting... It has to be the better LAN gear or perhaps just more optimized settings of your LAN. Mine is just an off-the-shelf 8-port Gigabit switch, with several other components hung off the other ports. I might send this directly to the guys at K and ask if they have any other ideas or suggestions.

Anyhow, thanks for taking the time to check! You win the Speed Crown! :)
John
 
jmdls said:
Wow! Those times are smoking fast! Also a lot more consisten. You have like a 1 second spread between all times, and I have as much as 4. Interesting... It has to be the better LAN gear or perhaps just more optimized settings of your LAN. Mine is just an off-the-shelf 8-port Gigabit switch, with several other components hung off the other ports. I might send this directly to the guys at K and ask if they have any other ideas or suggestions.

Anyhow, thanks for taking the time to check! You win the Speed Crown! :)
John
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Frankly John, I'm not really sure what accounts for these differences. I cannot believe it's manufacturing differences, leaving the LAN as a possibility. Curious about K's take on this, perhaps they can look at my system online and determine something from the data.

I'd rather see speeds consistent for all of us, but at least these times (including yours) are a vast improvement over standard BR Playback speeds on non-K components.:)

Jim
 
cinelife said:
Frankly John, I'm not really sure what accounts for these differences. I cannot believe it's manufacturing differences, leaving the LAN as a possibility. Curious about K's take on this, perhaps they can look at my system online and determine something from the data.

I'd rather see speeds consistent for all of us, but at least these times (including yours) are a vast improvement over standard BR Playback speeds on non-K components.:)

Jim
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Absolutely. The extra 4-5 seconds is really a non-issue. I did send our dialogue to my K contacts and will let you know what they suggest. I never notice any playback issues on my network -- stutters or drops or anything -- but perhaps there is some buffering or something that is causing the extra delay...? Could also be some difference in the Hard Disks, possibly a different rev or firmware? Networking isn't my thing, so I'm just guessing. Though, like you said, 10 seconds (my average) still KILLS anything else out there! Well, anything else except your system! :)
John
 
cinelife said:
...This is the DVD copy that is in the 2-Disc + dig.copy BR edition. Not sure why you copy isn't working...
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That's interesting, that's the same as what I bought, the BR and DVD version in the same box. The DVD won't import, no coverart, but it will play from the tray. I've had similar experiences with other Disney titles (e.g. Tinkerbell GFR), I thought it might be a copy protection issue. However I sent the GFR disc that wouldn't import in my system to Kaleidescape, and it imported into their system without issue. How is it that a disc can play normally from the tray, but isn't recognized and can't be imported?
 
brodricj said:
That's interesting, that's the same as what I bought, the BR and DVD version in the same box. The DVD won't import, no coverart, but it will play from the tray. I've had similar experiences with other Disney titles (e.g. Tinkerbell GFR), I thought it might be a copy protection issue. However I sent the GFR disc that wouldn't import in my system to Kaleidescape, and it imported into their system without issue. How is it that a disc can play normally from the tray, but isn't recognized and can't be imported?
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Geesh...that's a head scratcher. I would have suggested the DVD may be bad, but you indicate K was able to import without a problem (as I did with my copy). That leaves your hardware??? What's K's take on the issue?


Jim
 
JerryL said:
Jim, come on now, tell the truth! You've got a Lamborghini V10 in your switch! :)
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The only guy on this forum (that I know of), besides Josh, that can afford ANY kind of Lamborghini is YOU!!!:)

(Actually, MM posted here a couple of times, so have to include him.)


Jim
 
One of my Kaleidescape customers actually does own a Lamborghini, but alas I am not in that club. If I did have that kind of cash, I would probably pay off my house first. And get a new projector. And increase my Kaleidescape server storage...
 
I'm actually saving for a Veyron....but K storage requirements keep getting in the way...


Jim
 
cinelife said:
Geesh...that's a head scratcher...That leaves your hardware??? What's K's take on the issue?
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They are suggesting an issue with the MP2, although it's a bit difficult to understand how a movie can play from the tray OK, but not import.
 
cinelife said:
The only guy on this forum (that I know of), besides Josh, that can afford ANY kind of Lamborghini is YOU!!!:)

(Actually, MM posted here a couple of times, so have to include him.)


Jim
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Thats before K has tempted me to upgrade! (already paid off the homestead).

The Bug is a nice car but for that kind of money I'd take a 1967 275 GTB/4. In blue please.
 
....word just in....Kaleidescape has advised that Toy Story 3 DVD has a known import issue. They've ordered a copy of the title to rectify the problem.
 
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