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KEAOS (Software) UPDATES

Old post, but looks like new hardware…..

Dolby Vision

Anyone any information whether there are any plans to include this, or even if the Strato has the necessary chip to enable introduction? Just curious if this is on the Kaleidescape road-map, or if the intention is to run only with HDR10.
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SJHT said:
Old post, but looks like new hardware…..

Dolby Vision

Anyone any information whether there are any plans to include this, or even if the Strato has the necessary chip to enable introduction? Just curious if this is on the Kaleidescape road-map, or if the intention is to run only with HDR10.
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This was 5 years ago, can anyone confirm this is still the case?
 
AFAIK, Dolby Vision has been able to be software enabled for awhile, provided the main processor can handle it, and I would think the current Strato players have enough power. It does not require a special chip. A license is also likely required, and that may be the hold up. Maybe Mike or John from K can confirm, or correct my understanding.


Jim
 
How much of the core Strato architecture has changed over the years? Went from 2U to 1U, added larger drives, then removed for the C version. I guess all the repackaging would have to be engineered to fit. Maybe they are waiting for a big announcement! 😆
 
cinelife said:
AFAIK, Dolby Vision has been able to be software enabled for awhile, provided the main processor can handle it, and I would think the current Strato players have enough power. It does not require a special chip. A license is also likely required, and that may be the hold up. Maybe Mike or John from K can confirm, or correct my understanding.


Jim
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I think one of the challenges introducing DV now too would be how much re-processing of content in the store would need to happen to deploy DV to it, and we'd probably have to redownload movies after they were updated. It would be awesome if the DV info and meta data only could be downloaded on top of an existing movie on our Terra servers without having to re-download the entire movie package again (if it happens at all).
 
TrackZ said:
I think one of the challenges introducing DV now too would be how much re-processing of content in the store would need to happen to deploy DV to it, and we'd probably have to redownload movies after they were updated. It would be awesome if the DV info and meta data only could be downloaded on top of an existing movie on our Terra servers without having to re-download the entire movie package again (if it happens at all).
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Good point....and agree.

Jim
 
TrackZ said:
I think one of the challenges introducing DV now too would be how much re-processing of content in the store would need to happen to deploy DV to it, and we'd probably have to redownload movies after they were updated. It would be awesome if the DV info and meta data only could be downloaded on top of an existing movie on our Terra servers without having to re-download the entire movie package again (if it happens at all).
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Makes sense.....

Sounds like a long way of saying....won't happen anytime soon
 
The reasoning for not having DV is always because most of the Kaleidescape users have projectors and projectors don't support DV. It wouldn't be worth the effort and the cost for Kaleidescape to support DV until the majority of projectors support DV, which won't be anytime soon.
 
I would think with the declining disc market that K is getting a bit more other display devices. Agree that projectors likely make up the majority, but not privy to their data. Also, many folks run K on multiple systems. We have K in two zones in our home (theater and family room). We also have K in a second residence. So 2 non projectors out of the 3….
 
I resisted buying a Kscape for a year because of the lack of DV (but eventually bought one anyway). I view on a large OLED TV and much prefer the DV over HDR. I would love to see DV implemented in the Kscape infrastructure.
 
I'm using it on a TV as well.
But isn't this a chicken-and-egg debate? K won't add DV because projectors don't have DV today. But the projector manufacturers don't add DV because there's no demand for DV as the best video source for projectors is K, and K doesn't have DV... ?

I do wonder if with the advent of the new ultra short throw projectors, people will start to replace their TVs with one of these USTs, that can just sit on a dresser or TV stand. And if this type of consumer does want DV, we'll likely see a major uptick in demand for DV is other projector types as well...
 
I too would like to see DV on K, our screen is a modest 77" OLED. I would be interested to know the K user data on screen size and type.
 
cinelife said:
AFAIK, Dolby Vision has been able to be software enabled for awhile, provided the main processor can handle it, and I would think the current Strato players have enough power. It does not require a special chip.
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It's probably like 3D in that it could be done, but supposedly cannot be done along with x and... y and... z and... menus and... well enough.
 
SimonSays said:
I'm using it on a TV as well.
But isn't this a chicken-and-egg debate? K won't add DV because projectors don't have DV today. But the projector manufacturers don't add DV because there's no demand for DV as the best video source for projectors is K, and K doesn't have DV... ?

I do wonder if with the advent of the new ultra short throw projectors, people will start to replace their TVs with one of these USTs, that can just sit on a dresser or TV stand. And if this type of consumer does want DV, we'll likely see a major uptick in demand for DV is other projector types as well...
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DV needs to know the max light output and other parameters to function. This isn’t something that can be controlled on a projector as each installation has a different screen, screen size, throw distance etc. Projectors can not have DV.
 
TrackZ said:
I think one of the challenges introducing DV now too would be how much re-processing of content in the store would need to happen to deploy DV to it, and we'd probably have to redownload movies after they were updated. It would be awesome if the DV info and meta data only could be downloaded on top of an existing movie on our Terra servers without having to re-download the entire movie package again (if it happens at all).
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This is the challenge. They would need to regrade the entire HDR catalog which would be thousands of hours of specialist labor.
 
Afaik, Sony and LG OLEDs offer functions which ignores the static HDR metadata and do frame by frame dynamic tone mapping. If you dial in the settings properly and calibrate your TV, it should come pretty close to DV.
 
I think that they need to offer this in the future, could be a phased rollout and most likely the DV info is already in the films and only needs to have the licensing.
 
A bit OT: Recently saw the new Avatar at our local Dolby cinema and was surprised to see it has DV. Of course, that projector has the needed light output. For non-commercial projectors, would also think the Christie Eclipse should be able to handle DV…tho a bit pricey, even for a K owner with a high-end HT!

While it may not be in the budget for some TV owners, a good alternative would be a Lumagen or Envy for frame by frame DTM.
 
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