Geez, I’m out. Good luck.
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[Buyer’s Guide] Kaleidescape Quality Compared to Blu-ray & other Digital Sources
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We probably need a dedicated thread to
MartR
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And hopefully they also stop with adding the fine grain overlay
Ps, downloaded and watched some clips of 1917 and The Revenant yesterday and ignoring the grain overlay ,again witch i hate, i thought it already looked a bit better then last time i downloaded it and watched it… ‘did they allready improved something’ i was asking myself
raz77
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For me the whole Kaleidescape system has been worth the investment. I have two Es and 1 x terra server. My only gripe with the system is the adding of grain as others have said and occasional sound drop outs. I have a storm processor and Lumagen in my cinema room. The one biggest gripe which I think is shocking for the product and do not understand why this can’t be corrected as the devices can do HDR/Dolby Vision and 4k is the movie wall. It’s shocking poor quality on a large 130inch scope screen. Why is it only 1080p, that’s the thing I find the most shocking and all we get told is to a hardware issue.
Its all subjective of course but to me Ultimate would mean the one that has everything I am interested in watching and at the absolute best video and audo quality possible. I dot not think K delivers on that. Given that K is not limited by bandwidth or storage we should be seeing the type of artifacts that we see on streaming.
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I forgot to comment on this yeaterday. To be clear, I'm NOT saying what you are seeing doesn't exist, I'm NOT saying other issues don't exist. All I've said is I (any many others that own these Strato players) don't notice them when watching a movie because we don't look for them. It's not about denying the existence, it's about choosing to focus on the movie for the sake of the movie. Like your demo above, comparing them side by side to prove you are right is fine, you're right, BUT, we don't compare images side by side, we watch the movie, and people that focus on the movie itself may not see what you and others see, probably for the reasons you stated.
I've never said those of you that see these anomalies when you watch a movie are wrong, and I've never said you can't, or shouldn't comment on what you see. We've seen your, and others, comments about your findings, understand what you are seeing, respect that fact that it's bothersome to you, and recognize that even K has said they recognize these issues and to the extent they can, they will make corrections. If I chose to see what you see, I see it, I'm not blind, I just chose, to as you say "not be bothered by it." I'm into what the movie represents in storyline, acting, and filmology, and not how it was affected by a digital conversion, or the device playing it back.
My Grandfather was a Cinematographer. He also had a large theater in his main home, and a friend that was a projectionist. He was needed to operate the film projectors (Simplex I believe). Whenever we could visit him, he would always have other film industry friends there as well, and I'd listen to their comments and learned a few things about their industry, and what was important to them. This is why my movie watching focus is what it is, and I respect what you do, but for different reasons. If I could watch "film" based movies I would (film has its own issues). Converting to digital has its own challenges, including playback on the devices we all use, some of which are being discussed in this thread. If to you, and some others, that makes the playback device "defective," fine, you can label it using whatever language makes you happy, but to the other folks posting that they are satisfied with the performance they experience, that's their right as well, and to them it is not defective. There's no reason anyone posting that they are satisfied should be chastised because they see things differently. (That's a general comment, not aimed at you personally.)
In the end, this is a visual thing, these anomalies affect you and others in a way that generates your comments, and that's fine. For many of us, we don't care, and for some reason that lack of caring bothers you and a few others posting, as if we are obligated to join in and complain about something that doesn't bother us. You have a right to complain about the anomalies, and we have a right to say they don't bother us, it's just that simple.
Jim
I was mostly referring to people who come here claiming our device is defective while theirs isn’t. That kind of statement is frankly insulting.
As for those who think these issues don’t matter, that’s fine, but to me, their opinion simply carries no weight at all and is, quite literally, a waste of time. In the same way, I don’t care when someone tells me how great their TV looks when it isn’t calibrated or isn’t using an accurate picture mode.
When its all said and done...for the $$$$ people invest in this ecosystem....these artifact/anomoly issues are even less forgiven than something like a Roku...if at all.
On the other hand, it would be nice if people stating they don´t see an issue wouldn´t be laughed at or dealers accused of "downplaying" the issue for business reasons or even rated as untrustworthy.
This has been discussed ad nauseum on here. It is a limitation of the available chipset.
Excuse me?
raz77
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How can it be a limitation when the device can play 4k, are we honestly to believe that another chip is used at 1080p for the video wall. I don’t buy it and I am sure there is a workaround but no body wants to do this but say by the C an older player. Even cheaper players can do 4k for their video wall. It’s beyond comprehension that you buy the latest players and servers and they can’t do 4k on the video wall.
There's a difference between video playback and the graphics rendering engine.
raz77
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Given how expensive the equipment is, they decided to cut costs there; I can't fault the system, but this is one big cock up and stupid cost-saving exercise in my opinion. The latest players can't do a 4k videowall. Am I the only one who thinks this is so poorly done? On a projector screen it just looks crap
Call it what you want but it wasn't a cost-savings measure.
raz77
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Sorry to disagree with you on this. If smaller outfits like Zidoo and R_volution, whose players cost considerably less, can do this, then there is no excuse for cost-cutting on this. I would rather they had put a separate chip that could do this and charge me an extra $200.
The lenghts that people go thru to defend their investment in K is amazing to me,. Im only one strato V plus movies in but i can see the truth.
mariyoshikong
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Unless you have some inside info that the rest of us are not privy to it is hard to say that definitively.
There are only a handful of vendors making these SOCs and Kaleidescape is the only integrator I am aware of to claim a limitation of 1080p only graphics.
I think it is just as likely that their UI will not run in 4K on the new chip without substantial rework (cost) thus the chip does not support the 4k UI.
That wasn´t aimed specifically at you, but yes, that has happened in this thread. I agree, hard to believe.
Some quick googling/a.i. leads me to ask.
For those other systems which "render UI at 4K", are you certain they aren't upscaling from hardware-rendered 1080p?
Could be that they are just using better upscaling than the newer Stratos are. If that's true then a 4K wall is just a software update away, which would be cool.
(pls don't interpret the above as "defending K")