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Movie Updates

Disney must have got a whiff of HD versions having Atmos and are now shutting it down, I wonder how many there are.

Also I know they’ve been atmoused but how about giving us the Dolby Atmos tracks on the Pirates of the Caribbean set if we are going for disc parity!!
 
I don't pretend to know how these studio licensing and contracts work. However if the assets exist, whether that's a 4K transfer or an Atmos/DTS:X track, who actually looses money by giving K-scape the best assets available since that's the primary goal for K? The 20 K-scape owners who also buy the disc obviously won't matter. Maybe they don't want to uses resources on creating and maintaining a secondary digital licensing contract for K? That's the only thing I can think of.
 
This all brings me back to when I first started ripping discs... I did not have any 4k displays...but I had updated my sound system to ATMOS....I knew someday I would upgrade to 4k so I started buying the 4k discs that also included the BD disc... I would 1-1 extract the ATMOS track from the 4k disc...and the 1-1 video from the BD....merge them together.. My Plex server currently has many 1080p movies with ATMOS :)
 
cardsdoc said:
I don't pretend to know how these studio licensing and contracts work. However if the assets exist, whether that's a 4K transfer or an Atmos/DTS:X track, who actually looses money by giving K-scape the best assets available since that's the primary goal for K? The 20 K-scape owners who also buy the disc obviously won't matter. Maybe they don't want to uses resources on creating and maintaining a secondary digital licensing contract for K? That's the only thing I can think of.
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I'm not sure exactly what you're saying, but if you cross check any of these titles that have recently been "downgraded" to DTSHD on the HD versions, the discs and other digital stores are all DTSHD only on the HD versions. The Sound of Music physical version has the UHD and HD discs included, and the HD disc only has DTSHD.

It's not a matter of a separate licensing agreement for Kaleidescape. It's just how specific studios have decided to offer their intellectual property.
 
ironcross said:
The Greatest Showman (2017) from Twentieth Century in HD downgraded to DTS-HD Master 7.1 from Dolby TrueHD Atmos
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The Greatest Showman

Starting with nothing but his vivid imagination, P.T. Barnum creates a traveling show encompassing theater, acrobatics, and amusement. Musical, Drama, Biography, Period. Purchase and download today in 4K HDR10 with Dolby Atmos audio.
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On the plus side, the HD version is now compatible with new players alongside all of its Extras which are restored in HD as a separate download. If you're a 4K viewer (which still has Atmos) and wanted the Extras you previously had to download the entire HD film as well. So, I'd say this falls into net positive territory for everyone but Premiere users.
 
Slightly off-topic, and maybe not the right place for this question. I'm only 2 weeks into owning a Strato E but as I have bought movies via disc to digital, I have noticed that if not the audio isn't Atmos, DTS Master Audio 5.1 seems to be the most common mix. Is there any particular reason why? 7.1 Mixes and Dolby True HD seem to be rather rare. At least on the movies I have browsed or bought.
 
Adamator said:
Slightly off-topic, and maybe not the right place for this question. I'm only 2 weeks into owning a Strato E but as I have bought movies via disc to digital, I have noticed that if not the audio isn't Atmos, DTS Master Audio 5.1 seems to be the most common mix. Is there any particular reason why? 7.1 Mixes and Dolby True HD seem to be rather rare. At least on the movies I have browsed or bought.
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There's a wide range of audio tracks available and it's all dependent upon what the studio releases digitally. It is not uncommon for audio assets to differ between disc and digital but more accurate comparisons are between K and other digital stores (Apple, Amazon, Fandango, etc.). If you see Atmos on those stores but not on K it's most likely because the studio only provides lossy Atmos digitally so K opts for lossless 5.1.
 
LoveCinema said:
On the plus side, the HD version is now compatible with new players alongside all of its Extras which are restored in HD as a separate download. If you're a 4K viewer (which still has Atmos) and wanted the Extras you previously had to download the entire HD film as well. So, I'd say this falls into net positive territory for everyone but Premiere users.
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I recently bought Fire and Ash and your posted reminded me about something I wanted to ask about. On that movie, I downloaded the 4K version to watch and also downloaded the extras. The extras downloaded the movie in HD too though. In my account, it even showed the Extras and HD version of the movie as separate line items...but when I deleted the HD version of the movie, it took the extras with it.

I guess there is no real way to know on a listing if Extras on a movie are a true separate download, or if it'll download a version of the movie too?
 
Adamator said:
I recently bought Fire and Ash and your posted reminded me about something I wanted to ask about. On that movie, I downloaded the 4K version to watch and also downloaded the extras. The extras downloaded the movie in HD too though. In my account, it even showed the Extras and HD version of the movie as separate line items...but when I deleted the HD version of the movie, it took the extras with it.

I guess there is no real way to know on a listing if Extras on a movie are a true separate download, or if it'll download a version of the movie too?
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It's a good habit to look at the Downloads screen when you purchase/download a title. Many times a single download command will trigger multiple download files. From the download queue you can then pick and choose which ones you want to complete. Once completed, you are correct that K no longer tracks the elements individually. So, if you've got the HD movie and HD Extras you can only choose to delete both. Likewise, if you cancel the HD movie download and only let the Extras download, when you look at the movie in your collection it will say you have HD downloaded.
 
Ugh
LoveCinema said:
There's a wide range of audio tracks available and it's all dependent upon what the studio releases digitally. It is not uncommon for audio assets to differ between disc and digital but more accurate comparisons are between K and other digital stores (Apple, Amazon, Fandango, etc.). If you see Atmos on those stores but not on K it's most likely because the studio only provides lossy Atmos digitally so K opts for lossless 5.1.
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Studios will sometimes only give K a Lossy Atmos track on a Mezzanine file? That's unfortunate. I didn't know they would ever do that. I was more under the impression that the file K gets is sort of a "raw" file that other studios eventually use to make a disc or put it on their streaming service. (Raw isn't the right word probably, just the best way to explain what I am trying to say.)
 
LoveCinema said:
It's a good habit to look at the Downloads screen when you purchase/download a title. Many times a single download command will trigger multiple download files. From the download queue you can then pick and choose which ones you want to complete. Once completed, you are correct that K no longer tracks the elements individually. So, if you've got the HD movie and HD Extras you can only choose to delete both. Likewise, if you cancel the HD movie download and only let the Extras download, when you look at the movie in your collection it will say you have HD downloaded.
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As Ant-man says, perfectly not confusing. But thank you.

Why aren't extras simply thier own download, without exception?
 
Adamator said:
Ugh

Studios will sometimes only give K a Lossy Atmos track on a Mezzanine file? That's unfortunate. I didn't know they would ever do that. I was more under the impression that the file K gets is sort of a "raw" file that other studios eventually use to make a disc or put it on their streaming service. (Raw isn't the right word probably, just the best way to explain what I am trying to say.)
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Correct, studios prep mezzanine files for home video. Sometimes these differ between what is provided for disc production and what is provided for digital distribution.* As the vast majority of digital stores stream lossy, the files may cater to that audience. When they do, K does try to get lossless Atmos but if it's not available for digital use then they opt for the highest quality lossless track.

*While we tend to focus on tracks like Atmos, there are often additional audio tracks on disc never made digitally such as "original" audio, stereo tracks, commentaries, etc.
 
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Adamator said:
Why aren't extras simply thier own download, without exception?
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Legacy practices at K. The short answer is "now they are, but they didn't used to be."
Adamator said:
As Ant-man says, perfectly not confusing. But thank you.
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Yeah, it can be messy. Here's a post I made about The Rocky Horror Picture Show downloads:
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Post in thread 'Movie Updates'

The Rocky Horror Picture Show (1975) HD/SDR/HDR/Dolby Vision Updated

Changes in this update:
A Dolby Atmos audio track was added (HD)
Added extras

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The Rocky Horror Picture Show

An uptight young couple find themselves unwilling guests of a salacious, singing, transvestite, mad scientist. Directed by Jim Sharman. Starring Tim Curry, Susan Sarandon, Barry Bostwick, and Richard O'Brien. Purchase and download today in 4K Dolby Vision with Dolby Atmos audio.
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Extras have been added in HD to The Rocky Horror Picture Show. Triggering a new download will now start up to four discrete downloads (the movie and three supplemental packages). Even though the UK cut remains missing from the HD download following the Strato HD Compatibility update, the HD download is now a whopping 217.7GB.

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LoveCinema said:
Correct, studios prep mezzanine files for home video. Sometimes these differ between what is provided for disc production and what is provided for digital distribution.* As the vast majority of digital stores stream lossless, the files may cater to that audience. When they do, K does try to get lossless Atmos but if it's not available for digital use then they opt for the highest quality lossless track.

*While we tend to focus on tracks like Atmos, there are often additional audio tracks on disc never made digitally such as "original" audio, stereo tracks, commentaries, etc.
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"The vast majority of digital stores steam lossless." - I'm guessing you meant to say Lossy? (In any case, thank you for the info and replies, I appreciate learning about this.)
 
Adamator said:
Ugh

Studios will sometimes only give K a Lossy Atmos track on a Mezzanine file? That's unfortunate. I didn't know they would ever do that. I was more under the impression that the file K gets is sort of a "raw" file that other studios eventually use to make a disc or put it on their streaming service. (Raw isn't the right word probably, just the best way to explain what I am trying to say.)
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The mezzanine files are the raw files that are used to generate the disc and all the various digital outlets' versions.

The digital cameras being used today to produce hollywood films are recording compressed footage - not iTunes compressed, but there's compression applied. These files are still massive. Last year I did a CEDIA trailer video for a client. The 90 second file I exported from Resolve was about 21GB, which was then brought into Media Encoder to create a file that would load onto the Kaleidescape system. If my math is mathing, that would make a 2 hour movie's mezzanine file about 1.7TB, which Kaleidescape then applies their compression algorithms to in order to get it down to about 70-100GB.

The mezzanine files are plenty large. But Kaleidescape is considered a digital store, and thus they are given the same mezzanine files as Apple and Amazon. On occasion they are not provided a lossless Atmos file. They generally request it and are provided the file, but other times they are unable to access it for whatever reason, but they are given the LPCM stems to create a high quality DTS-HD file.
 
thrillcat said:
The mezzanine files are the raw files that are used to generate the disc and all the various digital outlets' versions.

The digital cameras being used today to produce hollywood films are recording compressed footage - not iTunes compressed, but there's compression applied. These files are still massive. Last year I did a CEDIA trailer video for a client. The 90 second file I exported from Resolve was about 21GB, which was then brought into Media Encoder to create a file that would load onto the Kaleidescape system. If my math is mathing, that would make a 2 hour movie's mezzanine file about 1.7TB, which Kaleidescape then applies their compression algorithms to in order to get it down to about 70-100GB.

The mezzanine files are plenty large. But Kaleidescape is considered a digital store, and thus they are given the same mezzanine files as Apple and Amazon. On occasion they are not provided a lossless Atmos file. They generally request it and are provided the file, but other times they are unable to access it for whatever reason, but they are given the LPCM stems to create a high quality DTS-HD file.
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That is interesting, thank you. Guess I had it mostly right, after all!
 
Furnace Inferno said:
Disney must have got a whiff of HD versions having Atmos and are now shutting it down, I wonder how many there are.
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It must be that Disney is losing subscribers on Disney+ as long as their movies have better quality on other services. Now every service is almost as bad sounding as Disney+ so their subscribers can’t complain. 😉
 
LoveCinema said:
It's a good habit to look at the Downloads screen when you purchase/download a title. Many times a single download command will trigger multiple download files. From the download queue you can then pick and choose which ones you want to complete. Once completed, you are correct that K no longer tracks the elements individually. So, if you've got the HD movie and HD Extras you can only choose to delete both. Likewise, if you cancel the HD movie download and only let the Extras download, when you look at the movie in your collection it will say you have HD downloaded.
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It would also be nice if the extras-only downloads followed general homing rules. Almost makes it worthwhile to grab the full HD file, so it end-up in the right place.
 
Speed Racer has dropped in UHD on the UK store with standard WB D2D pricing so assume it should drop on the US store tomorrow.

Not sure why we’ve got it earlier as our disc release isn’t until 19th June but I’m not going to complain!
 
Furnace Inferno said:
Speed Racer has dropped in UHD on the UK store with standard WB D2D pricing so assume it should drop on the US store tomorrow.

Not sure why we’ve got it earlier as our disc release isn’t until 19th June but I’m not going to complain!
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US Disc release is also May 19. But I'm glad you guys are getting earlier on K.
 
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