Closing the Buyer's Guide megathread 👍👎

[steelman1991]

Geez - this is another "car crash" of a thread that's going to go the way of the DODO

 

[Movielover76]

@thrawn997 looks like I was mistaken about your first posts, I’ve got bored and gone through just to see what, if any change there has been in your posts.

Now I won’t be able to say my true feelings on the matter because as far as you are concerned everything is an attack on you so I will be astute in my analysis. I’m sure I could use an A.I summary and it would condense everything down into a short paragraph that would look like most of your posts since they are very similar but alas I don’t use A.I.

Looks like I owe you an apology though because you have posted in more threads than just your angry ones about K. I found it interesting to note your first posts were about how amazing the Strato V is and the Last Jedi. What I also found very intriguing was that you had no complaints about any image quality issues at all until Rmarci pointed them out. Most amusing was you have asked about The Last Jedi a number of times which I can only assume is because you can’t actually see any issues and need to know for your own sanity having thought it looked amazing.

What I don’t understand though is you threatened to take legal action by April if things weren’t fixed and didn’t.

You repeatedly talk about being done with K and bought an Ugoos and said that you were going back to discs. In the middle of all that you also post how great Obsession looks on K.

You also say you don’t trust K but then say you would happily buy a Strato K even after complaining about them for 8 months straight.

You complain about the cost but later say money is no object for you on the player front. Not only that but after complaining about the money you sunk into it a separate dealer offered to buy back the units AND reimburse the movie cost at their own expense to a number of you and you didn’t want to do that.

You make pretty serious accusations about the workings of K and despite having been proven wrong never apologised about a number of those or admitted you were wrong.

Although you don’t directly single out anyone other than Cinelife, you make pretty sweeping derogatory statements about owners and dealers even ignoring K for a moment.

You complained about the thread getting flooded with distractions and content that isn’t the comparisons quite early on and agreed with Rmarci it should be focused on the comparisons so why did you yourself continue to post when your posts weren’t about the comparisons but just your issues with K?

You complained for ages that they didn’t care and weren’t responding because they had no interest in fixing it and then weirdly later praise them for being responsive.

Talking about your LG G4 TV, you made a comment about if they didn’t fix dithering then you would come consider it defective. Did you make as much of a fuss about the known issues with the G4 then, in particular I’m talking about its issues with HDR10 and also it having undefeatable edge-enhancement in all picture modes? The latter of which would seem to me to make it impossible to view any content as intended and have never been fixed despite LG knowing about it unless of course the G6 fixing it counts…

Your actions haven’t changed whether K fixes issues or not, they aren’t “putting pressure on them” as you believe because they would have fixed the issues once identified whether you posted a million times or nothing at all.

Ultimately I don’t really know why you keep posting the same thing over and over despite saying your done numerous times, either go or don’t but threatening it in the way you do achieves nothing. You say a lot of contradictory things and don’t apply the same rules to yourself or other devices, if you are going to be so publicly bothered by something then don’t be a hypocrite.

Anyway I’ve wasted enough time on this already so this will be the last time I engage in such things because let’s face it, you aren’t going to change your approach.

A snippet of your posts below just for reference:

Brilliant, caught with his pants down and hoisted up by his own petard at the same time.

The problem with online comments...there are always receipts!

Great work Furnace

 

[Rmarci]

I didn’t read any of what Furnace said, and I couldn’t care less about it. What I dislike is someone wasting their time copying the comments of someone they supposedly don’t like. It’s pointless and childish.

I honestly wonder what’s worse: someone being obsessed with actual Kscape player and repeated content issues that have been documented for more than a year, or someone being so obsessed with that person complaining about them instead of simply putting them on ignore.

That’s exactly the problem with the majority of users here.

 

[thrawn997]

lol oh no you got me, I complain a lot about a company that marks up their hardware 100x, has defects, and refuses to tell us which of those defects are fixed on which movie. They have not finishing fixing any of the original encoding problems and they don't tell us which films we can purchase that have them fixed. We have to rely on Rmarci to tell us which is which. Many people are fine with this for some reason. Criticizing a company for deceptive marketing and defective products is not the same thing as calling other members as "minions" "trolls" and "henchmen".

Although you don’t directly single out anyone

Remember, the facial reason for closing the thread wasn't attacking K, it was attacking other users, which many continue to do here with the mods blessing (as long as you do it so there is some deniability on who you are talking about, even when any reasonable reader knows who it is about).

Some folks wanted Rmarci to stop posting his findings, and they got it. And they get to keep insulting and directly attacking. Seems like the good guys won.

 

[artur9]

I have been directly attacked by multiple different members so my responses will be more numerous. If they were removed in a timely manner or people didn't attack responses would be fewer. Limiting posts per day in a thread critical of K, which the forum allows, is not the answer.

Multi-quote?

Would also document all the perceived attacks in one place and make the mod's job easier. I say "perceived" as written text is notoriously open to multiple interpretations.

 

[Htjinus]

4K Cinematic has failed to deliver the PQ improvement it was marketed to deliver. We have objective captures showing PQ degradation in demonstrated cases, and Kaleidescape itself has acknowledged technical issues and worked on fixes.

Yet somehow we continue getting pages and pages attacking or debating the people.

I’m not going to speculate about anyone’s affiliations or motivations. But the amount of energy spent defending 4KC and attacking independent analysis is rather extraordinary.

If the analysis is wrong, challenge the evidence. If it’s right, Kaleidescape should fix the product.

Everything else is noise.

And if anyone feels this forum is drifting away from its stated principles of independence, respectful criticism and consistent moderation, ask Josh and Cinelife directly about the forum’s governance and policies. Those are fair questions too.

Let’s keep the two issues clear: Kaleidescape should answer for the product; the administrators should answer for how the forum is governed.

 

[SerenityNow!]

I agree, but the thread being shut down had nothing to do with @Rmarci. It was a couple of people that were constantly stirring the pot and fanning the flames while contributing nothing.

Well then they should have been put on a “time out” and the thread should have cleaned up by the moderators, you know, moderating. The right solution was not to just close the thread.

 

[Reezepees]

Why is this still going on?

 

[thrawn997]

Multi-quote?

Would also document all the perceived attacks in one place and make the mod's job easier. I say "perceived" as written text is notoriously open to multiple interpretations.

Yeah I've done that as well. But I am not sure that 1 long post versus 5 smaller posts is less or more disruptive? I mean again I think the forum should have limits that are applied uniformly. If we want to have a rule that people can't post more than once every 10 minutes, cool. I know there are rate limits for reporting posts (ask me how I know) but I have never hit a rate limit on actual posting. But let's not do that only for the thread where people are reporting defects of K.

 

[thrawn997]

Why is this still going on?

We had a thread to discuss defects on the hardware and encodes that also had a lot of bickering. We stopped the discussion of the defects, so all that is left is the bickering. So I guess it is going on by design.

 

[thrawn997]

4K Cinematic has failed to deliver the PQ improvement it was marketed to deliver. We have objective captures showing PQ degradation in demonstrated cases, and Kaleidescape itself has acknowledged technical issues and worked on fixes.

Yet somehow we continue getting pages and pages attacking or debating the people.

I’m not going to speculate about anyone’s affiliations or motivations. But the amount of energy spent defending 4KC and attacking independent analysis is rather extraordinary.

And what is amazing to me is that I feel like maybe 0% of folks would disagree with the two remedies I think are needed:

1. A list of what films have been fixed (both for the non cinematic as well as the cinematic)
2. What processes they will establish so that easy to spot issues like this are caught by them, not @Rmarci

These have been asked of K for well over a year during the first round of defects, and they have declined to address them.

 

[Reezepees]

Can someone please close this thread so we all can move along!

 

[thrawn997]

 

[Nathan28]

Coming in here demanding the thread be locked etc is like seeing a pile of dog poop and choosing to go step in it… just keep scrolling.

 

[artur9]

Maybe the forum software really needs a MPAA-style warning upon entry.

 

[Darin]

@josh - Will this site be going dark soon? I hope not but I wouldn't blame you if it did.

 

[Mana_man]

The strato k is the best media player i have used, in that it is really snappy, no skipped frames, and the remote is decent. But clarity is what is most important. and frankly i do not care how big the files need to get (within reason of course). but i would like to know when a 4kc is "to standard" and not have to ask @Rmarci for a favor and ask him to check.

if kscape company just continues to communicate, that is a huge deal. Sincerely we all want this product to shine. Communication is always welcome, even if it my not seem like it at first. It is always for the best in the long run.

 

[Nd3799754]

Like Mana said, let’s address the real reason these threads deteriorate…K’s lack of transparency and willingness to communicate.

In that vacuum, people will fill it with noise picking a side. I really don’t get the lawyer speak responses from K at this point. Sell 2 of the ridiculous 256TB SSD monsters and you could have a person or AI doing QA. Look at what Lucasfilm did when people did better deepfaces of Luke in Mandolorian…hire the guy! If they actually have a QA person, they should immediately be replaced.

It’s so odd to have a forum of your most enthusiastic customers waiting on bated breath and then word salad a one post response. If it continues, the future of this forum…is a different forum.

 

[Nd3799754]

Wow you are deleting posts now. The people subscribed to the thread can post pics of what you wrote and my response.

 

[thrawn997]

@Rmarci any chance you'll resume your thread on a different forum, since it seems they're not going to let you continue your thread here?