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- Thread starter Joelc
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All speculation on my behalf but I imagine at sometime in the future ...... a replacement MDV with the same form factor as forthcoming IDV at lower price point to reflect the lack of a fully incorporated M Class player.
320 disc capacity in 5U space would be more space efficient than the present MDV.
320 disc capacity in 5U space would be more space efficient than the present MDV.
I suspect they will not totally drop the MDV as it is now because it already exists and I doubt they would create a new one at a lower price point just due to economies of scale. There is no way they would sell enough 100 disc vaults to justify the cost of a new design, especially once they fill the initial need with the current MDV and most of those customers are not going to replace them just for the kaleidescape look at $1500 per.
It also would not make as much sense to do an IDV without a player. It would still need to be hooked up to an M-300 or M-500 so it would take less space to have an actual IDV and one could just move the player to another room or resell it as there will be continued demand for M-class players. They might offer a tradein on an M-series player for an IDV for those that would not want the vault and the player seperate.
I really don't see how an M-300 and a playerless IDV would cost less than an IDV with the player incorporated so going forward there will be zero demand for that combo. In effect, they would be making an item that has a customer base of exactly as many people who want a 320 disc vault but already have as many M-class players as they need.
They certainly would not sell them to a new customer at all unless it could be added to an existing IDV for extra storage. Really, that would be the absolute only way they would have any demand for them at all for forward sales. That market - people who need more than 320 bluray discs of storage per playback zone, must be quite small even as a percentage of Kaleidescape owners.
It also would not make as much sense to do an IDV without a player. It would still need to be hooked up to an M-300 or M-500 so it would take less space to have an actual IDV and one could just move the player to another room or resell it as there will be continued demand for M-class players. They might offer a tradein on an M-series player for an IDV for those that would not want the vault and the player seperate.
I really don't see how an M-300 and a playerless IDV would cost less than an IDV with the player incorporated so going forward there will be zero demand for that combo. In effect, they would be making an item that has a customer base of exactly as many people who want a 320 disc vault but already have as many M-class players as they need.
They certainly would not sell them to a new customer at all unless it could be added to an existing IDV for extra storage. Really, that would be the absolute only way they would have any demand for them at all for forward sales. That market - people who need more than 320 bluray discs of storage per playback zone, must be quite small even as a percentage of Kaleidescape owners.
100 Disc MDV. $1500.
320 Disc IDV. Circa $6000.
Hypothetical 320 Disc MDV. $4500 ???
These numbers would work for me.
My preferred choice would be to keep players and vaults in separate enclosures. Players are regularly upgraded as technology and the K experience develops. Separate enclosures allow player upgrades to be carried out quickly and easily.
The functionality of a vault will probably not change in the foreseeable future where players may have a shorter life span to stay at the most current specification.
As a new or current customer I would pay extra for the increased flexibility of a higher capacity MDV with an external player as compared to an IDV. If a previously purchased M300 is available it saves a few dollars for upgrades at a later date.
I would never underestimate the ability of a K system owner to accumulate discs. I think the current 100 disc MDV is an effective but ultimately short term solution.
As always it will be interesting to see how things develop.
320 Disc IDV. Circa $6000.
Hypothetical 320 Disc MDV. $4500 ???
These numbers would work for me.
My preferred choice would be to keep players and vaults in separate enclosures. Players are regularly upgraded as technology and the K experience develops. Separate enclosures allow player upgrades to be carried out quickly and easily.
The functionality of a vault will probably not change in the foreseeable future where players may have a shorter life span to stay at the most current specification.
As a new or current customer I would pay extra for the increased flexibility of a higher capacity MDV with an external player as compared to an IDV. If a previously purchased M300 is available it saves a few dollars for upgrades at a later date.
I would never underestimate the ability of a K system owner to accumulate discs. I think the current 100 disc MDV is an effective but ultimately short term solution.
As always it will be interesting to see how things develop.
Now waiting for a couple of IDVs.
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Two IDV's will give me some extra space (I haven't counted recently, but last count was about 830 BR, not all of which I'd put into a vault). I like a lot of older films and tend to buy everything that gets released (all the old classics: African Queen, Casablanca, NBNW, etc.).
Jim
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*crick* Hmm, looking at it backwards really does make the space saved seem bloody expensive. The effective efficiency all comes down to which is more important a factor, space or cost. (I might add players/zones, but that makes the issues much murkier and just got me wondering how the 1-drive-per-player limit really works if the M500 can drive a MDV, so I'll leave it at space/price.)
Call me crazy -- you will not be the first or the last -- but it would be aesthetically preferable to have an MDV that matches the form factor and look of the other K gear...
I will know next week which direction I will be going in but do appreciate all the advice and input that has been shared to date...
I will know next week which direction I will be going in but do appreciate all the advice and input that has been shared to date...
Agreed...the other issue though is "rack efficiency" / "rack management" and it it more efficient to use 5U of rack space for 320 Blu-rays as opposed to 100 Blu-rays...
I am getting very close to ordering my system with just a few details left to iron out and have a question...
If I load a blu-ray, CD or DVD into the system is it then possible, at a later date, to erase/remove the disk from the system and recover the disk space...
Thanks so much...
Joel
If I load a blu-ray, CD or DVD into the system is it then possible, at a later date, to erase/remove the disk from the system and recover the disk space...
Thanks so much...
Joel
Yes, you can delete any title in the future. The only thing you cannot do is delete one disc from a set, like disc 4 of CSI season 2, or the supplemental disc for a film. One would have to delete the entire title then reload the disc/s that you want from it. I generally don't load the extra disc from a set for this reason.
I just did this Joel with the DVD duplicates of BRs I own.
What happens is the titles get moved to the trash. They are not actually deleted at this moment, but rather still are on the hard drives but not listed in your movie list. As the system needs the space the movies in the trash will be deleted. This way if you accidentally move a movie to the trash you can recover it. With a title in the trash, the system will report the additional free space.
What happens is the titles get moved to the trash. They are not actually deleted at this moment, but rather still are on the hard drives but not listed in your movie list. As the system needs the space the movies in the trash will be deleted. This way if you accidentally move a movie to the trash you can recover it. With a title in the trash, the system will report the additional free space.