neat, but you still can't program that raised round pseudo-rotary control at the bottom of the remote to do things like this? or jog shuttle functionality?
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Comparing the UC Remotes to the AVA Cinema Remote
- Thread starter thrillcat
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Not yet. But it automatically adds volume up/down/mute, this is just another way to add it to the screen for those who want it. Jog shuttle is not available via any device IP control, only seek/scan, which is also automatically added to the touchscreen.
That's not a pseudo-rotary control. It's a d-pad like every other remote, just nicer. It's an up/down/left/right/enter plus 3 more buttons left, 3 more buttons right, and a button above and below. There's no capability to sense a rotary motion. Touch will indicate what button you're touching, but you still have to click it to perform the action.
ah, helpful. thought that thing was a haptic rotary thing like one of the post-clickwheel ipods back in the day. didn't realize it was just a directional pad with discreet buttons. thanks.
Still finding that, for me, none of the "next-gen" remotes (URC3, Sofabaton, AVA) seem right for what i want... all have one compromise or another and making it tough for me to move forward on any, especially given the cost and time spent programming. Yet i don't see anything else on the horizon either...
I think you need to step back and figure out if "what you want" is actually possible even if a remote offers it. Any remote on the market today or released tomorrow is still going to be limited to what the devices you want to control will allow. No remote can add features to the IP control protocol of the devices it's connected to.ah, helpful. thought that thing was a haptic rotary thing like one of the post-clickwheel ipods back in the day. didn't realize it was just a directional pad with discreet buttons. thanks.
Still finding that, for me, none of the "next-gen" remotes (URC3, Sofabaton, AVA) seem right for what i want... all have one compromise or another and making it tough for me to move forward on any, especially given the cost and time spent programming. Yet i don't see anything else on the horizon either...
Wow, that is incredibly condescending... i'm not an idiot or a novice at this. i'm of course not looking for a new remote to do something not provided in the IP control command set of the devices!
I'm looking for a device that has decent battery life, decent ergonomics in the hand, not be crazy fragile if dropped, wakes up quickly, stays reliable, and gives an ability to string together control commands how i want, with decent customization for the layout of buttons and screens how i'd like them to look. I need basic logic for devices already on/off and "punch thru" for volume control and mute. It needs to be "guest" and "novice" usable, not just for me as a pretty technical user. I'm aware of how to do it and how i've done it for 20+ years on different devices and control systems. All of this was a piece of cake on Harmony or even URC MX-880 and worked for decades just fine with all of those things I just listed, though that was in the pre-IP control world, so there is now the additional requirement of maintaining or quickly re-establishing an IP connection over wifi. But even without that last piece, none of these current devices give me what i'm looking for at the moment.
While I appreciate your ongoing advice and your excellent videos, I was just stating I'm not finding what i am personally looking for. I believe I'm not the only relatively sophisticated owner saying this these days. Stating that doesn't mean what i'm looking for was ludicrous or asking for the impossible from these latest generation of devices.
Not meant to be condescending but you were literally just asking about a feature that would be impossible to implement.
I have the UC, AVA and Sofabaton X2 configured in my room right now and I can say that any of them should meet your needs, each with their own caveats.
UC is infinitely customizable but very involved to configure. It’s not as difficult as people make it out to be once it clicks in your brain how to do it. Now that I know the “language” I could erase mine and set it up from scratch in 30 minutes or less.
AVA is incredibly simple to setup and use but has a higher price tag. The hardware is very elegant and sturdy, and support is provided by your dealer whom you hopefully have a good relationship with.
Sofabaton has the best battery life of the bunch because it is 99% reliant on IR control, and is the cheapest of the bunch.
I find any of the batteries to be just fine as long as you charge nightly.
I’ve had my partner pick each of them up on different nights and let her run the system without any help and she’s had no problems except knowing the swipe the Sofabaton to launch an activity.
They are all customizable to an extent, the AVA and UC more so than the Sofabaton.
Every one of these fees good to use, and I’ve had zero issues with fragility. We don’t have young kids in the house anymore but we do have a puppy and concrete floors throughout.
It’s a much different experience having all these available to choose from and it gives a much better idea of the strengths and depth of configureability and customization of each, more so than watching videos and looking at photos online. I’ve tried to show these features in my videos but maybe I’m no good at it.
I have developed a pretty good understanding of what’s possible with each, and what is not feasible at this time due to the rest of the equipment in a system. I think the vast majority of folks commenting on my content have a distorted view of what’s possible today and have unreasonable expectations and an inflated opinion of what the Harmony is capable of.
Sorry. Happy new year.
Seems to me all three of these new gen remotes...AVA, UC and X2 are all different variations of a 80% solution of what some of us are looking for. 
If X2 had more robust IP and HA it would be the one...if U3 didnt require so much tinkering and was available at some known time...i would pick it....of AVA was half the cost and didnt require a dealer i would pick it. Gonna wait till my Elite dies to Logitech finally kills it to decide.
If X2 had more robust IP and HA it would be the one...if U3 didnt require so much tinkering and was available at some known time...i would pick it....of AVA was half the cost and didnt require a dealer i would pick it. Gonna wait till my Elite dies to Logitech finally kills it to decide.
busybee2498
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I wish the AVA could display lighting control fixed to every screen without jogging back and forth to different screens.
So I'm relatively late to the party, but perhaps benefit from having the latest version of the UC3 operating system running. The setup was a bit counterintuitive at times, but by referencing @thrillcat 's videos I got the hang of it and the basic setup in place in about 45 minutes. I then spent hours joyfully customizing it, but that's just me.
I'd agree that the battery life issue is mitigated by returning the remote to its dock every day. It hasn't gone below 84% in my use. Everything I thought I was blocked on, I found a workaround. Everything I found tedious and clunky on my Harmony is now smooth and elegant.
I really like it and I'm glad I have it. I think I'm done with home theater-itis!
Just kidding, of course.
I'd agree that the battery life issue is mitigated by returning the remote to its dock every day. It hasn't gone below 84% in my use. Everything I thought I was blocked on, I found a workaround. Everything I found tedious and clunky on my Harmony is now smooth and elegant.
I really like it and I'm glad I have it. I think I'm done with home theater-itis!
Just kidding, of course.
andy
Well-known member
Similar to @Edgar, I only received my UCR3 from the Kickstarter campaign recently (3 weeks ago for me). And yeah… waiting over a year past the original delivery date wasn’t exactly part of the dream. That said, now that it’s finally here—and now that I’ve gotten through setup—I’ll say it: I love this remote.
In fact, I’m almost grateful my Savant remote finally gave up the ghost, because I probably wouldn’t have made the switch otherwise.
But the setup definitely took a bit of getting used to.
If you’re coming from a more traditional remote world (Harmony, URC, Savant, Control4, etc.), the way UCR3 handles things—especially Integrations and Entities—can feel pretty counterintuitive at first. Between @thrillcat ’s videos (thank you!), some forum digging, and a fair amount of trial and error, it took me a bit to wrap my head around it.
The “aha” moment for me was realizing that Integrations are really the closest thing to devices, and Entities are more like the building blocks you assemble from there. Once that clicked, everything started to fall into place pretty quickly.
From there, it actually became fun.
Now that I’ve created some custom images and gotten things pretty dialed in, I really love the look, feel, and flexibility of the remote. It’s clean, fast, and does exactly what I want it to do—just took a little patience to get there. And the battery has been great, although I typically return it to the dock each night for charging.
It does all come together—you just have to push through that phase where you’re convinced you’ve made a terrible mistake.
Next up for me will be adding Home Assistant so I can tie in my Seymour AV auto-masking based on K's aspect ratio queues. Everything else, though (Denon, Roku, Apple TV, Epson PJ, Lutron, HTTP POST), is working great directly over IP.
Andy