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[Buyer’s Guide] Kaleidescape Quality Compared to Blu-ray & other Digital Sources

Has to be that way. Don't want a situation where a moderator is telling a user to tone it down and the user can't hear him.
 
+1 to @Rmarci suggestion that this thread be focused on the visual comparisons he posts, the flaws and defects that have been identified, and K's actions to fix them. This thread gets flooded with distractions and that content which is the topic of this thread gets buried.
Perhaps mods should lock this thread to future posts by anyone but @Rmarci so he can continue posting the valuable information and it will stop devolving into endless bickering?
 
Has to be that way. Don't want a situation where a moderator is telling a user to tone it down and the user can't hear him.

They can DM, but yes I can see why mods should be able to have that power. Alas with great power...we all know the Spider-Man quote
 
Guys, I have no desire to continually comment in this thread, just don't attack people posting comments you don't like or accept. You can certainly respond, just keep the sarcastic comments out of the posts, and refrain from making comments (like those backhanded slights above) that just create more back and forth bickering that detract from this thread. You're wasting your time going at me, there's nothing you can say that affects me in the least, my life is too good. I'm not in a battle you guys, I just want the bickering and personal attacks on members that have a different viewpoint or comment to stop.

One important note addressing comments, or insinuations, that this site protects K's interests. There are two problems with those comments. The first is the deluded thinking that somehow this thread is that important, it is not. It is a thread in a forum, nothing more, it has value to a group of people that find the information useful. It doesn't affect K or dealer sales in any meaningful way, probably not at all, so no dealer participating in this forum is posting to protect a financial interest. There is zero concern that this thread could affect the viability of K as a business, it cannot, and does not, so there is no need for any of us to "protect" K, the company is doing just fine.

In addition, there are many, many posts in this forum that have been critical of K as a company, its products, and its policies, including by moderators. This is not a Kaleidescape owned nor influenced forum, it is a forum established by Josh to provide a place K owner's could use to share information about their K systems, new K products, K support, anything related to K specifically, and AV in general. It is called the "Kaleidescape OWNER'S Forum," not the "Kaleidescape Forum."

We don't want to take additional actions, but if that comes about it won't be because of any desire to prevent negative comments about some content in the K Store, it will be based on the conduct of some members posting in this thread. Conduct, not content, is important in this regard, so please don't force us to do something there is no desire to do, just stick to the purpose of this thread and keep the posts friendly.

Jim
 
You're wasting your time going at me, there's nothing you can say that affects me

You sure like repeating that a lot for someone who isn’t affected by what we’re saying. lol

This is not a Kaleidescape influenced forum

100% not true, and we both know it.

KS can have posts edited or deleted here; they literally did it a few days ago for one of the dumbest reasons imaginable, which is why I mocked them in my post with their deceptive slider comparison.

I won’t say exactly what was edited, but here’s a simple example:

Imagine Disney going on an NVIDIA Shield forum and asking them to remove a post from someone who said they were watching a ripped Blu-ray Disc they legitimately bought because of obvious disc protection issues.


the deluded thinking that somehow this thread is that important, it is not

Yeah, keep telling yourself that… The fact is, this thread is the best thing to ever happen to KS. Without it, you’d still be watching tons of releases with inaccurate colors and very poor compression.

Just because it’s not important to YOU (and others) doesn’t mean this thread isn’t important.

Maybe you should be the one sticking to the purpose of this thread and stop repeating the same thing a million times. We get it:

1- This thread doesn’t matter to you
2- nothing is affecting you
3- no quality issues are affecting you
4- KS sales aren’t affected

Ok, this was my last time replying to you. Since we can't ignore you, I will never read or reply to anything you say again.
 
@thrawn997, why do you ignore the 3 posts directly above my last post? I see, your posts don't count as going off topic.....:ROFLMAO: It's becoming clearer you actually want the confrontations.

That was my last attempt to quiet this thread and put it back on track.

Jim
 
@Rmarci, K doesn't have influence over this forum, but we will not be a party to violations of the SLA or IP rights owned by K. I learned over the past 25 years that K doesn't allow anyone to violate their IP, or violate the SLA (for owners). Your post was deleted for one reason and one reason only, it was pointed out to us by counsel that it violated K's rights, and this forum won't be a party to any violation of ANY companies rights. I assume you received a similar notice yourself.

Jim
 
smh, Cinelife is literally the one derailing this thread. I was done arguing until you made that post repeating how “unimportant” this thread is… and keep lying about KS not influencing it, I have proof that they do.

ps: Josh can contact me as much as he wants; he’s always been kind and respectful. Cinelife, don’t even think about PMing me again about how many KS units were sold, lol.
 
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The comment about being unimportant, if you take the time to read the full context, was related to statements that we are protecting K's interest and doing their bidding, and my point is that some of the negative comments based on your findings are not important enough for anyone, not me, not K, not other dealers, to shut you down. Logically if we thought otherwise, and were actually doing what you state, this thread wouldn't be 52 pages long. I'll repeat what I said earlier, if this thread goes away it will be because of conduct, not content. Not sure how much clearer I can make it.
You are posting evaluations that some members find helpful and valuable, let's leave it at that and end the back and forth bickering. :)

Jim
 
Perhaps you could create a normal user account that we can ignore so you can make those biased comments, and keep that admin account only for actual moderation without being obviously biased, such as:


  1. “Please keep the discussion civil, everyone.”
  2. “Let’s focus on the topic and avoid personal attacks.”
  3. “Reminder: off-topic posts may be removed.”
  4. “Thanks for your input, let’s move on to the next point.”
  5. “Please follow the forum rules to keep this thread constructive.”
 
Alright, let’s move on… You may all hate my guts, but I have only one goal: to get the best possible quality out of the KS.


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Anaconda 2025


- Slightly lower quality than UHD-BD


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Ready or Not 2019


- Ignoring the block artifacts, this is better than MA.


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Star.Wars.Episode.VII.The.Force.Awakens.2015


- Slightly lower quality than UHD-BD in most shots but it's very close

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Cold Storage 2026


- No high-quality source to compare with but I have nothing to complain about here.

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The.Heat.2013


- Green push
- KS is 10gb larger than BD but still much softer.
- I did not notice block artifacts, I think the unintended processing causing the artifacts is active only when connected to a 4K display.
- This movie has an unrated poster but it's the Theatrical Cut.
 
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Alright, let’s move on… You may all hate my guts, but I have only one goal: to get the best possible quality out of the KS.


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Anaconda 2025


- Slightly lower quality than UHD-BD


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Ready or Not 2019


- Ignoring the block artifacts, this is better than MA.


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Star.Wars.Episode.VII.The.Force.Awakens.2015


- Slightly lower quality than UHD-BD in most shots but it's very close

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Cold Storage 2026


- No high-quality source to compare with but I have nothing to complain about here.

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The.Heat.2013


- Green push
- KS is 10gb larger than BD but still much softer.
- I did not notice block artifacts, I think the unintended processing causing the artifacts is active only when connected to a 4K display.
- This movie has an unrated poster but it's the Theatrical Cut.

Did you ever do a comparison for The Last Jedi btw?
 
Maybe later, I'm not a big fan of old movies.

It's interesting that despite what a few of the authorized K dealers say, there does seem to be interest from K customers in knowing that the films and hardware they spend a considerable amount of money on can meet the high standards they advertise. It's unfortunate that K appears to feel their inadequate response is sufficient, and they leave it to someone they bully to find the flaws in their systems and encodes. Truly disappointing.
 
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