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[Buyer’s Guide] Kaleidescape Quality Compared to Blu-ray & other Digital Sources
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Rmarci
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That’s not the issue. Constantly writing to and deleting from an HDD or SSD shortens its lifespan.
Well, if we talk about thousands and tens of thousands of downloads and deletions, then I´d be with you. But of course it´s your call.
Is there any reason to watch the HDR version if it is SDR in an HDR container? I'd imagine tone mapping issues could be a reason not to...
I found myself feeling the same way. While the audio improvement once I went to K was amazing....overall the video not so much...compared to disc or 1-1 rips. I too found things to be a tad "duller" with K...(dimmer and grainy). At first I thought it was my lamp or projector falling out of focus...but switching to the rip(Zidoo Z30 pro) of the very same movie proved otherwise. When I host movie night its never the PQ that I am showing off.
Rmarci
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For Rec.2020’s wider color gamut, yes but it also depends on how bright you watch SDR, which is relative/scalable. My G5 shows SDR at the 100-nit reference level, so in terms of perceived brightness, there isn’t much difference between SDR and HDR for this movie. I actually made an entire video about that topic recently. On a projector, it’s generally more accurate to stick with the SDR version.
Are you saying you´re getting better audio using K compared to disk (or 1:1 rip)?
Interesting, as with my lamp based RS1100 (!1000 hours currently) I have recently started watching 4k/SDR versions of movies instead of HDR and I believe the 4k/SDR actually usually looks better.
Given my screen size and throw distance...I am at the extreme limit for HDR brightness.
Only when the lamp is brand new does HDR look like HDR
Given my screen size and throw distance...I am at the extreme limit for HDR brightness.
Only when the lamp is brand new does HDR look like HDR
IMHO, you need at least 200nits for HDR to look like HDR.Given my screen size and throw distance...I am at the extreme limit for HDR brightness.
Only when the lamp is brand new does HDR look like HDR
Yeah, information I knew nothing about when I picked projector and screen =P
Never bothered to try to measure...not even sure how.
Room is extremely light controlled...literally cannot see my hand in front of my face when everything is off even in the middle of the day. When watching movie....no blinking lights or anything just the light from the projector...screen floats in space.
My screen is not the best...advertised as 1.4 but I know thats not accurate...probably 1.1 or maybe 1.2.
But according to ProjectorCentrals Estimate ...~130nits. Audio advice calculator estimate is same. I picked 1.1 for screen since I have not clue what mine actually is.
Can't afford the higher model JVCs but have been tempted by some of the new Valarian projectors....but giving up the JVC black levels would be rough.
That isn't really true either because unless you have a good black floor 200 nits will still lack dynamic range. This is why I find it so funny that people that use projectors that didn't even have good dynamic range for SDR somehow think they now are good for HDR simply because they are brighter when in reality they are just making it even worse. 200 nits for a projection system looks fine if you have enough dynamic range to make it actually look good for contrast, but the amount of projectors that can do 200 nits on my HT screens and still have a reasonably good black floor are few and far between unless you are working with a pretty small screen. It is the fallacy that HDR is about being bright, which is not the point at all.
Rmarci
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Bugonia 2025
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- There might be some DNR in this one, but let's see how it looks against the bluray in 2-3 weeks.
*Just like all the previous Yorgos Lanthimos movies, it is literally SDR in an HDR container. If you watch SDR at 100nits, there will be 0 difference at all, as you can see with the Amazon SDR caps.
Kscape HDR vs itunes HDR vs amazon SDR | Slowpoke Pics
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- There might be some DNR in this one, but let's see how it looks against the bluray in 2-3 weeks.
*Just like all the previous Yorgos Lanthimos movies, it is literally SDR in an HDR container. If you watch SDR at 100nits, there will be 0 difference at all, as you can see with the Amazon SDR caps.
Well, when a sentence starts with "IMHO" it doesn´t make sense to answer with "that isn´t true".
Absolute brightness is a big part of getting a powerful image on the screen. But we have debated that multiple times and I believe we won´t come to an agreement on this one again.
Rmarci
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The Family Man 2000
- Nothing to complain about. Massive improvement from the old VC1 1080p BD.
www.kaleidescape.com
- Nothing to complain about. Massive improvement from the old VC1 1080p BD.
The Family Man
On Christmas, a Wall Street bachelor wakes up in a world where he started a family in New Jersey with the woman he left years ago. Directed by Brett Ratner. Starring Nicolas Cage, Téa Leoni, Jeremy Piven, and Makenzie Vega. Purchase and download today in 4K HDR10 with Dolby Atmos audio.
www.kaleidescape.com
I have debated starting to build an itunes library instead of investing in a kscape. From a video perspective, when playing itunes things on an Apple TV for the higher bitrate (I know you said this one was 24mbps), can you tell a giant difference in video quality? Or do you find the majority of the difference is on the audio side?One Battle After Another 2025
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- Good compression, but the real test will be against the UHD-BD in January. Pretty good example of how MA struggles with grainy content and how iTunes denoises everything. MA and iTunes both have the same 24mbps bitrate.
* Another SDR in HDR container grade but this has nothing to do with KScape encoding...
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One Battle After Another
An ex-revolutionary and his daughter go on the run when a deranged colonel finds out where they went into hiding. Directed by Paul Thomas Anderson. Starring Leonardo DiCaprio, Sean Penn, Benicio del Toro, and Regina Hall. Purchase and download today in 4K Dolby Vision with Dolby Atmos audio.www.kaleidescape.com
There is a big part of me that really wishes Apple would just release a version of Apple TV with larger onboard storage like 1tb and start offering a download option to play at disc quality like kscape. I guess they just think such a small percentage of the userbase would use it that they don't do it.
Rmarci
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Well it depends on your screen size and viewing distance, but in general, iTunes quality is noticeably poorer because of the aggressive DNR they apply. This wipes out fine detail and produces a much softer image compared to Kaleidescape or the Blu-ray disc or even other streaming services at the same bitrate, which is clear in many of the comparisons I’ve shared here. On the other hand, Movies Anywhere and Google Play don’t apply this DNR and deliver significantly better image quality than iTunes.
Also, iTunes’ Profile 5 DV encoding is flawed due to the same static color-reshaping they use on everything. Without going too deep into the technical side, it tends to push red toward a brighter, more orange tone, which slightly washes out skin tones. Movies Anywhere doesn't have this problem.
Also, iTunes’ Profile 5 DV encoding is flawed due to the same static color-reshaping they use on everything. Without going too deep into the technical side, it tends to push red toward a brighter, more orange tone, which slightly washes out skin tones. Movies Anywhere doesn't have this problem.
Rmarci
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Good Fortune 2025
-Inconsistent quality: some shot looks better, but everything that is brighter or white is denoised(and blocky). I hope this is what the next firmware will fix...
-Inconsistent quality: some shot looks better, but everything that is brighter or white is denoised(and blocky). I hope this is what the next firmware will fix...
The: AppleTV X ...might be close to what you're describing. Sspecial thanks to forum member Steve Bruzonsky for originally telling me about this. I do not have one, but reading the technical specs - from an engineering perspective it makes sense.
It's unlikely that Apple has a strong business case to go the reference audiophile/videophile route as they need to rely on much greater financial gains each year to reach their revenue and profit targets to appease Wall Street. Apple Home, Wearibles, and Accessories (of which Apple TV box is a small part) collectively makes up less than 10% of Apple revenue as of end of 2024.
I really like Kaleidescape over all other solutions as they demonstrate a commitment to continued innovation and improvement year in and year out. It's also cool to see Tayloe and team take constructive feedback from this forum and others as they proceed. Seeing the focus on adding new Kaleidescape users with lower priced (not to be confused with "low") hardware solutions indicates a keen focus on optimizing cash flow to ensure continued possibility for dollars to invest in innovation. I also see their customer service and technical support as world class.
All that said, appreciate you and the others highlighting areas for improvement on quality as it helps continue to push the envelope toward the best reference possible vs. merely settling for good enough.
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I agree with most of that. Unfortunately these issues were pointed out in July and here we are with defective players 5 months later. No way can I say technical and customer service is world class as it’s going to be even more months to go to have these issues resolved. And the defective players we have aren’t $500.00… $2000 or even 3k … but more expensive.
What defective players are you describing? I might have missed something.