What I wanted to say is, that it looks the same for me. Terrible, but the same.
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[Buyer’s Guide] Kaleidescape Quality Compared to Blu-ray & other Digital Sources
- Thread starter Rmarci
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This looks the same to you?
wick 1 Kscape vs FEL+BL vs HDR10 | Slowpoke Pics and
wick 1 Kscape vs FEL+BL vs HDR10 | Slowpoke Pics
I´m looking at my screen.
You're a really funny guy.I would hope you aren't using your speakers to view those images
I´m looking at my screen in my cinema room, playing JW1 on my Strato C and from UHD and this is what I see. Just saying that both look terrible.
Well, so be it.
You're a really funny guy.
I´m looking at my screen in my cinema room, playing JW1 on my Strato C and from UHD and this is what I see. Just saying that both look terrible.
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Is the top one K? Looks like DNR to me, although a photo from the phone isn't as good as those direct grabs.
I learned what you can see on these photos is irrelevant so let´s leave it there.
I'll take that as a yes.
I´m not denying @Rmarci´s findings, just saying on a screen moving in real life, both look very similar and both terrible. No need to go into defense mode with every comment coming in.
Isn't it more defensive not to tell people which image is K and which is BD, once people point out that you can see DNR in one of the images?
Unless you’re using a DSLR on a tripod with all settings fully locked and you can capture the exact same frame from both sources then yes, phone photos are 100% irrelevant.
Here’s what a proper camera comparison looks like:
DV vs HDR10 (LG G5), same frame, DSLR on tripod with locked settings.
Well, I didn´t find it too interesting which one is which as my point was more to show how bad both are looking. But yes, if it makes you happy, the first one is K. But as I said it looks very similar and it´s a movie, the next second might look exactly the other way round.
As long as the photos represent good enough what I´m seeing on my screen, it´s fine for me. That it´s not good enough to do a scientific comparison, that should be clear.
If you would enjoy posting many images so we can demonstrate spotting the DNR is pretty easy, that would be a fun game for me at least.
It amazes me that people will say they hear small differences in audio, from things like clean power, but when we have images that you can literally toggle between and see the differences people will say both look equally bad. We can see these differences on a phone screen, a computer screen, let alone an oled TV or quality projector.
Well, you said you didn’t see a difference, yet your non-scientific image shows obvious DNR… that’s a bit contradictory.
Well, you just said my photos are irrelevant, now you´re trying to prove your point using them. That´s a bit contradictory.
I try to explain my point again:
I don´t think that a normal viewer from a normal viewing disrance is able to distinguish between the perceived image with the DNR applied (again, not denying it is there and I agree, it shouldn´t be there) and without. Somebody will respond now to that that I´m trying to downplay the issue - I´m not. K shouldn´t apply DNR in it´s workflow. I´m just trying to put it into perspective.
And did I say K should not apply DNR to the library? If not, then I say K should not apply DNR to their library.
What ? Do you have reading issues?
I was replying to what you said about your image representing what you are seeing and your images show a grain difference... you're the one contradicting yoursefl here, not me
Those images are still 100% useless, and the only point I'm making here is that you're contradicting yourself.
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I hope we'll keep this discussion relevant and respectful. I personally appreciate the scientific work and detailed technical analysis @Rmarci is doing, and I can appreciate and welcome the subjective opinions and non-scientific images that @DieZwei (and others) are offering.
I hope we can de-escalate a bit and not let this get into personal attacks and hyper-parsing of every word in a previous post. I fully realize now I'm wading into this, which I've tried to avoid, and opening myself up now to accusations of something or another.
Keep the discussions going; both objective and subjective views here are welcomed.
I hope we can de-escalate a bit and not let this get into personal attacks and hyper-parsing of every word in a previous post. I fully realize now I'm wading into this, which I've tried to avoid, and opening myself up now to accusations of something or another.
Keep the discussions going; both objective and subjective views here are welcomed.