What is the expected behavior for lights with movies that have post credit scenes?

[tripleC]

I’m looking to have the lights not raise on movies with post credit scenes. I have a Strato E and Terra Sever. I am using the Strato E driver in C4 and selecting the end credits lights trigger.

Movies like the Thunderbolts the light raise at the credits but like most Marvel movies there is a mid credit and end credits scene. Are the lights to stay off until the end credits scene?

 

[thrillcat]

Yeah, theoretically those cues are not supposed to happen until after a mid- or end-credit scene - at least this has been indicated in the past, but I've noticed everything seems to be triggering immediately at the start of the credits lately.

@MikeKobb @J.Green is this an intended change in standard practice?

 

[tripleC]

Yeah, theoretically those cues are not supposed to happen until after a mid- or end-credit scene - at least this has been indicated in the past, but I've noticed everything seems to be triggering immediately at the start of the credits lately.

@MikeKobb @J.Green is this an intended change in standard practice?

I am disappointed if this is the case. This is one of those differentiators for me to make the move.

 

[J.Green]

The content team normally puts the end credit bookmark at the beginning of the credits. But for movies that historically always have mid-credit scenes (typically after an artistic graphic credit sequence), they'll mark it after that scene at the beginning of the scrolling credits. If it's just a graphic sequence into the scrolling, they mark it at the beginning of the credits. Post credit scenes don't get special treatment.

 

[thrillcat]

The content team normally puts the end credit bookmark at the beginning of the credits. But for movies that historically always have mid-credit scenes (typically after an artistic graphic credit sequence), they'll mark it after that scene at the beginning of the scrolling credits. If it's just a graphic sequence into the scrolling, they mark it at the beginning of the credits. Post credit scenes don't get special treatment.

I'd request if there's any graphic sequence at the start of the credits, stop turning our lights up and washing out the screens for those segments and put the trigger later, when the sequence is done and the credits are rolling over black. This would seem to be much more in line with the purpose of the feature.

 

[erixon1138]

I have this feature in my cinema room and the lights usually turns on when the scrolling text on black background begins.

I can’t recall any movie now but if you have a movie you want me too check. Let me know.

My scene does not turn on the lights affecting the screen. Only the lights behind the middle of the room and also very dimmed.

 

[rafaelsmith]

I had to disable my "credits" home assistant automation because its was not reliable or consistent with movies that have one or more post credit scenes. Soon as credits would start scrolling it would trigger...automation would raise lights...then we would have a post credit scene with the lights on. In my batcave with projector that just looks horrid.

 

[thrillcat]

Yeah, any lights on in a room with a projector is going to degrade the image quality to some degree. My lights fade up to 7% over a 10 second duration when the end credits trigger hits, and even that is enough to wash out the image on the screen.

 

[rafaelsmith]

Yeah, any lights on in a room with a projector is going to degrade the image quality to some degree. My lights fade up to 7% over a 10 second duration when the end credits trigger hits, and even that is enough to wash out the image on the screen.

Yeah, I tried various dim levels and it never looked good so gave up.

AppleTV is another device that wrecks havoc with my automations...no two apps behave the same...some trigger "paused" when they are showing recaps...some trigger "idle" when shoing recaps...its really annoying. Netflix triggers playing when its just sitting on a move/tv tile screen. I put in some time constraints which helped some...i.e AppleTV has to be "paused" for XX time before trigger, etc.

 

[thrillcat]

Yeah, I tried various dim levels and it never looked good so gave up.

AppleTV is another device that wrecks havoc with my automations...no two apps behave the same...some trigger "paused" when they are showing recaps...some trigger "idle" when shoing recaps...its really annoying. Netflix triggers playing when its just sitting on a move/tv tile screen. I put in some time constraints which helped some...i.e AppleTV has to be "paused" for XX time before trigger, etc.

I've done that with AppleTV as well. I think anytime a "skip recap" type dialog comes onscreen it triggers as end credits.

 

[rafaelsmith]

I've done that with AppleTV as well. I think anytime a "skip recap" type dialog comes onscreen it triggers as end credits.

I could be mistaken but I do not think Apple TV even has a "credits" signal like K does....its just idle/paused/playing. Different apps use those differently unfortunately. For the most part I have it working decently but had to use seperate automations for appletv...with all sorts of if/then conditions based on current app and state.

 

[rafaelsmith]

As for K....I it would be really nice if it put out a boolean signal..."Has Post Credit Scene" then I could setup my automations how I want.

 

[thrillcat]

I could be mistaken but I do not think Apple TV even has a "credits" signal like K does....its just idle/paused/playing. Different apps use those differently unfortunately. For the most part I have it working decently but had to use seperate automations for appletv...with all sorts of if/then conditions based on current app and state.

Yeah, it's not a end credits tag, but something about those skip OSD items triggers different Play/Stop sensors in the media player.

 

[tripleC]

The content team normally puts the end credit bookmark at the beginning of the credits. But for movies that historically always have mid-credit scenes (typically after an artistic graphic credit sequence), they'll mark it after that scene at the beginning of the scrolling credits. If it's just a graphic sequence into the scrolling, they mark it at the beginning of the credits. Post credit scenes don't get special treatment.

Is there a way to request a change to the triggers? For me from this point on I will be consuming my movie content on this platform. I would like for the lights to signal accurately to sit through the credits. Also it will impress my guests and highlight how cool this platform is to them.

 

[andy]

I would like for the lights to signal accurately to sit through the credits.

Maybe I'm missing something, but why not ignore the end movie credits and have your control system queue the lights when you stop the movie?

Andy

 

[thrillcat]

Maybe I'm missing something, but why not ignore the end movie credits and have your control system queue the lights when you stop the movie?

Andy

It's a cool feature to have the lights raise slowly when the credits begin, but not if there's a credit sequence. Any system can queue the lights when the movie is over or stopped, but it is a fun feature Kaleidescape added and has promoted as such, it's an exclusive, but they seem to be inconsistent with how it's implemented which makes it less impressive.

For example, I have special automations based on the content I'm watching. When I watch the Matrix, when the end credits start my lights fade up in Matrix green. If I'm watching Purple Rain, they're purple. Barbie they're pink.

That kind of fun feature isn't available with any other hardware without ridiculously complicated programming and manual backtiming. The feature is there, I just wish they'd spend a little more time implementing it effectively.

 

[rafaelsmith]

Maybe I'm missing something, but why not ignore the end movie credits and have your control system queue the lights when you stop the movie?

Andy

I my case...I kinda liked only raising the lights slightly for credits...then to max when the movie is stopped. For movies without post credit scenes that works great. Its when there are scenes after the credits....even the lights slightly dimmed really mess with the image from the projector.

 

[rafaelsmith]

If they simply had the K go to "playing" when playing post credit scenes.....got to "credits" when actual credits are rolling, I could make it work.

 

[andy]

When I watch the Matrix, when the end credits start my lights fade up in Matrix green. If I'm watching Purple Rain, they're purple. Barbie they're pink.

Presumably you have to do this on an individual movie basis, correct?

Andy

 

[thrillcat]

Presumably you have to do this on an individual movie basis, correct?

Andy

I have my HA automation setup with extra requirements for end credits. So it's "If Kaleidescape is at 'end credits' AND IF content is 'movie title'" then it calls up a different scene for end credits. It actually runs through all those requirements everytime it hits end credits, and if it doesn't see any of the movie titles, it runs the normal end credits screen.

EDIT: @andy I lied, actually. You can set multiple conditions in HA, but I couldn't figure out how to cycle through all of them. I just checked and realized that I have an automation for each movie with a special end credit lighting scene, and an automation for all other movies.

All of the special scenes have a 2 second delay on them, so when end credits begins, the lights very slowly start fading up - by 2 seconds it's still pretty much imperceptible unless you're looking directly at them. Then at 2 seconds it can abort the standard scene and switch to a special scene if it detects a determined title.