NZ7 8K Upshift User Experience

[DieZwei]

Again I’ll respectfully disagree. But thanks for the insight.

Just to understand: with what exactly in my post do you disagree?

 

[JonProphet]

Of the observable image quality difference on the current line of high end JVC 8K e-shift. I’ve experienced it with K-scape material (I don’t think this was on an K player but I can’t say for certain) and subjectively, could immediately tell the better quality image over a standard 4K image. Is it true 8K no, but it’s better in my opinion.

That’s why I was asking if the old 8K e-shift on the NZ-7 was only marginally worse performing than the new 8K. The answer is, leave e-shift on the NZ-7. This was reported to me by several NZ-7 owners publicly and privately. So my decision is to buy a NZ-500.

 

[DieZwei]

Of the observable image quality difference on the current line of high end JVC 8K e-shift. I’ve experienced it with K-scape material (I don’t think this was on an K player but I can’t say for certain) and subjectively, could immediately tell the better quality image over a standard 4K image. Is it true 8K no, but it’s better in my opinion.

OK, thanks for clarifying. Your observation has nothing to do with displaying 8K content or the ability of a lens to display 8K pixel on a screen.
It´s just that the shifting mechanism can create an image that appears to be more even as the fillrate increases due to the shifted pixels.

 

[JonProphet]

OK, thanks for clarifying. Your observation has nothing to do with displaying 8K content or the ability of a lens to display 8K pixel on a screen.
It´s just that the shifting mechanism can create an image that appears to be more even as the fillrate increases due to the shifted pixels.

I really don’t want to come off as argumentative but if that was the case, all the pixel shifting 4K DLP projectors would be unable to claim 4K resolution. This is also the reason why I shop for true 4K projectors. Just by your logic.

With the K player outputting 8K, to a 8K pixel shifter, is still by definition by the industry, as 8K resolution. No?

 

[DieZwei]

I really don’t want to come off as argumentative but if that was the case, all the pixel shifting 4K DLP projectors would be unable to claim 4K resolution. This is also the reason why I shop for true 4K projectors. Just by your logic.

With the K player outputting 8K, to a 8K pixel shifter, is still by definition by the industry, as 8K resolution. No?

Yeah, but you said when you saw it, you saw it with 4K content, not 8K content. So the better image you say you´ve perceived was because of the projector shifting and not because the source was better. It was still 4K.

 

[JonProphet]

Yeah, but you said when you saw it, you saw it with 4K content, not 8K content. So the better image you say you´ve perceived was because of the projector shifting and not because the source was better. It was still 4K.

Yes. It was from TG:Maverick.

 

[Stitch1]

I really don’t want to come off as argumentative but if that was the case, all the pixel shifting 4K DLP projectors would be unable to claim 4K resolution. This is also the reason why I shop for true 4K projectors. Just by your logic.

With the K player outputting 8K, to a 8K pixel shifter, is still by definition by the industry, as 8K resolution. No?

So the DLP thing is tricky to me. Same with the Epson LCDs. I do like the shifting they are doing as they do make for a better image. BUT the pixel grid or outline structure is still there and on really bright scenes kills the magic trick of the pixel shifting for me. It makes the resolution look even lower than it actually is.

So it's kind of both. You are getting the 4k image sent to the screen. You can use the slow motion video capture on your phone to see how that works. But they still aren't actually 4k chips and at times it is very noticeable on large screens.

I've only seen actual 8k content while at a convention where JVC was showing off the NZ900 and it was probably the best projected image I have seen. I am not sure how much that would translate to home use as they had their own special demo clips playing on rotation. But it was very impressive.

 

[JonProphet]

So the DLP thing is tricky to me. Same with the Epson LCDs. I do like the shifting they are doing as they do make for a better image. BUT the pixel grid or outline structure is still there and on really bright scenes kills the magic trick of the pixel shifting for me. It makes the resolution look even lower than it actually is.

So it's kind of both. You are getting the 4k image sent to the screen. You can use the slow motion video capture on your phone to see how that works. But they still aren't actually 4k chips and at times it is very noticeable on large screens.

I've only seen actual 8k content while at a convention where JVC was showing off the NZ900 and it was probably the best projected image I have seen. I am not sure how much that would translate to home use as they had their own special demo clips playing on rotation. But it was very impressive.

Thanks. Yeah at Best Biy they were using K-scape and you could play just about anything you like. No BR:2049.

 

[OCD2]

So the DLP thing is tricky to me. Same with the Epson LCDs. I do like the shifting they are doing as they do make for a better image. BUT the pixel grid or outline structure is still there and on really bright scenes kills the magic trick of the pixel shifting for me. It makes the resolution look even lower than it actually is.

So it's kind of both. You are getting the 4k image sent to the screen. You can use the slow motion video capture on your phone to see how that works. But they still aren't actually 4k chips and at times it is very noticeable on large screens.

I've only seen actual 8k content while at a convention where JVC was showing off the NZ900 and it was probably the best projected image I have seen. I am not sure how much that would translate to home use as they had their own special demo clips playing on rotation. But it was very impressive.

But also dependent in the light control and room.

 

[JonProphet]

But also dependent in the light control and room.

My room is completely light controlled. I’m also not interested in DLP technology or anything that they’re doing. I am actually a true 4K fan.

 

[OCD2]

My room is completely light controlled. I’m also not interested in DLP technology or anything that they’re doing. I am actually a true 4K fan.

I don't understand what you're saying. What does 4K have to do with DLP and light control? I was commenting on your impression of the overall image. A number of people can't get that same impressive image with or without pixel shifting because they don't have a complete bat cave hence they have higher black levels and less contrast.

 

[JonProphet]

Not sure I can be any clearer. But it’s ok. No need to proceed on the topic any further.