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New Unfolded Circle Remote (f.k.a. YIO)
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thrillcat
Well-known member
I'm waiting for this before I decide what to replace my Harmony Elite with.
Unfolded Circle
The missing home automation control platform. Starting with Remote Two. The only remote you will ever need. Local and open.
www.unfoldedcircle.com
Mossback
Active member
what price range are you thinking is reasonable? I like RTI, and have both my iphone and a T4x hard controller for my lights, kscape, Oppo and Trinnov, its very flexible.
I'm waiting for this before I decide what to replace my Harmony Elite with.
Unfolded Circle
The missing home automation control platform. Starting with Remote Two. The only remote you will ever need. Local and open.
Looks a bit like the neeo which was brought out by Control 4 unfortunately as now need a dealer to program it
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thrillcat
Well-known member
I was a NEEO backer and my remote was hobbled with an auto-update the night before they announced the C4 deal.
The Yio founders are well aware and have made it very clear that they have no plans to close off the product/system. They also seem to have been burnt in the NEEO deal.
thrillcat
Well-known member
The NEEO was fantastic in its original state. C4 must've ruined it, because it was a fantastic remote that exceeded my Harmony Elite in every way, until they pushed an unwanted update that broke all my automations and made it impossible to re-add my projector to the device.
thrillcat
Well-known member
I’ve had this remote in-house since December. The documentation is non-existent and support is spotty. I spent most of the first 60 days beating my head against the wall, researching, and learning Home Assistant.
Then a few weekends ago I had a big open block of time so I completely erased my Home Assistant installation and the Remote 2 and started over with everything I’d absorbed.
I’ve been using it ever since, and it’s been fantastic except for one item.
My equipment is
JVC Projector
Anthem processor
Lumagen Radiance Pro
Kaleidescape
AppleTV
SeymourAV Proscenium Motorized Masking Screen
Everything but the Lumagen and the screen masking has an integration in either HA or the Remote 2. The only IR I’m using is a few commands for the Kaleidescape. The Lumagen uses an outdated IR set that needs to be modified before Unfolded Circle (YiO) can add to the database, which is in the works.
I’m using the Home Assistant integrations to control lighting and (very soon) masking based on triggers from the Kaleidescape and AppleTV.
The remote hardware is very nice and refined. The dock IR is very narrow so placement is picky unless you use the repeaters.
Overall I’m pretty pleased with the remote, but again, there’s a learning curve and things that still need to be implemented.
Then a few weekends ago I had a big open block of time so I completely erased my Home Assistant installation and the Remote 2 and started over with everything I’d absorbed.
I’ve been using it ever since, and it’s been fantastic except for one item.
My equipment is
JVC Projector
Anthem processor
Lumagen Radiance Pro
Kaleidescape
AppleTV
SeymourAV Proscenium Motorized Masking Screen
Everything but the Lumagen and the screen masking has an integration in either HA or the Remote 2. The only IR I’m using is a few commands for the Kaleidescape. The Lumagen uses an outdated IR set that needs to be modified before Unfolded Circle (YiO) can add to the database, which is in the works.
I’m using the Home Assistant integrations to control lighting and (very soon) masking based on triggers from the Kaleidescape and AppleTV.
The remote hardware is very nice and refined. The dock IR is very narrow so placement is picky unless you use the repeaters.
Overall I’m pretty pleased with the remote, but again, there’s a learning curve and things that still need to be implemented.
thrillcat
Well-known member
If I knew anything about code, I could probably do it, I've found an RPi applet that will control it, I just have zero clue how to make it into a Home Assistant integration.
I know Jim has supplied a smaller IR subset of codes that they plan to implement, but my hope is to find someone who can create a Home Assistant integration.
GitHub - bjorg/RadiantPi.Lumagen: Client for controlling a Lumagen RadiancePro video processor
Client for controlling a Lumagen RadiancePro video processor - bjorg/RadiantPi.Lumagen
github.com
@thrillcat - great video. Thanks! After all these years, I still haven't found a good replacement for my old Pronto TSU9400. I tried the Harmony Elite years ago, and while it was easy to get going, I didn't like it compared to my Pronto, which does IR, RS232 and IP, two-way communications, and is completely customizable.
The Unfolded Circle Remote looks interesting. Some questions:
1. How does it communicate with Home Assistant? Did you have to write http GET commands for each. Command to send to HA, or it's transparent what it does under the covers?
2. How well do press-and-hold buttons work over IP? For example, if you want to press the volume down button to rapidly turn down the volume, does it work well over IP, or do you need to keep pressing the volume down button a dozen times?
From my experience, IR still works best for press-and-hold buttons.
3. Does the remote support a scripting language?
4. Any way to get and display feedback from controlled devices, like their power state?
Thanks.
The Unfolded Circle Remote looks interesting. Some questions:
1. How does it communicate with Home Assistant? Did you have to write http GET commands for each. Command to send to HA, or it's transparent what it does under the covers?
2. How well do press-and-hold buttons work over IP? For example, if you want to press the volume down button to rapidly turn down the volume, does it work well over IP, or do you need to keep pressing the volume down button a dozen times?
From my experience, IR still works best for press-and-hold buttons.
3. Does the remote support a scripting language?
4. Any way to get and display feedback from controlled devices, like their power state?
Thanks.
thrillcat
Well-known member
I’m on a plane so I’ll do my best to respond.
The remote’s primary integration, the most complete and well thought out, is a Home Assistant integration, so all HA entities are visible and accessible from the remote’s configuration tool. A user has also written a Remote Two integration for HA so you can also trigger activities from HA and monitor battery charge status and more.
Press and Hold is not the best but they are also making improvements to it.
I don’t know enough about scripting to say, but I see a lot of discussion of Python in their discord and forum.
Yes, when configured via the remotes integrations or ha, it is full 2-way communication.
Thanks. I’ve been a long time user of Homeseer (even though almost all my devices work with HomeKit). I just recently installed HA in a VM and I’m trying to decide if I want to go further down that rabbit hole. So far, I haven’t seen any particular reason to switch from Homeseer to HA, but this remote seems to be one good reason, but it would be another huge rabbit hole.… Interesting. Something I’ll have to look Into a little more. They have very little official info online. Seems like a lot of forum reading and experimenting to get started…
thrillcat
Well-known member
Not much documentation at all, which has been my biggest complaint, especially with the hardware delays they had, would’ve been nice to have more info.
I’m not trying to control the whole home. Most of my stuff is just set up with HomeKit since we’re all Apple, but the theater is its own system. I have been trying to get as much automated as possible and Home Assistant does a great job of tying all the theater components together, and now using the Remote Two as a front end is very nice.
I’m not trying to control the whole home. Most of my stuff is just set up with HomeKit since we’re all Apple, but the theater is its own system. I have been trying to get as much automated as possible and Home Assistant does a great job of tying all the theater components together, and now using the Remote Two as a front end is very nice.
I love mine as well.
I would love to be able to IP control for Kaleidescape. what I could do through home assistant is more limited as I couldnt figure out how to get remote entity so i used scripts
I have anthem avm70 - I had to create scripts in home assistant for volume and mute as regular home assistant one needed to select a volume and not just up and down. did the same for mute as didnt have toggle mute. mute and unmute were separate
shield - integration is decently and improves with every update
Kaleidescape
I have sony projector but don;t really use remote as I have it set up so it automatically goes on when my processor goes on
i dont have a lumagen but most recent update has ir codes for it
just added press and hold buttons today but with my brief testing seems to work ok. i think there was some trouble early on
there is feedback for power state of devices with their own integration and with home assistant. i have a page with my theater lights and i can see their state
I would love to be able to IP control for Kaleidescape. what I could do through home assistant is more limited as I couldnt figure out how to get remote entity so i used scripts
I have anthem avm70 - I had to create scripts in home assistant for volume and mute as regular home assistant one needed to select a volume and not just up and down. did the same for mute as didnt have toggle mute. mute and unmute were separate
shield - integration is decently and improves with every update
Kaleidescape
I have sony projector but don;t really use remote as I have it set up so it automatically goes on when my processor goes on
i dont have a lumagen but most recent update has ir codes for it
comminates very well with home assistant most commands are the automatically once you add the entity
just added press and hold buttons today but with my brief testing seems to work ok. i think there was some trouble early on
there is feedback for power state of devices with their own integration and with home assistant. i have a page with my theater lights and i can see their state
thrillcat
Well-known member
The Lumagen IR codes supplied in the newest update do not work.