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Dolby Vision 2 Announced... Seriously.
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txfeinbergs
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Maybe, but as of right now (and for many years), I have stood by my belief that a 4K picture is as far as anyone needs to go (at least for 100 inches or less). I see zero reason that anyone would need 8K for a TV. (not talking projectors). I know we are talking Dolby Vision here, but some types of upgrades don't seem to make sense anymore.
That was my point. We don't need the upgrade. Dolby needs it and the AV industry needs it.
Jup. Would be more value if current technology would be implemented properly and not be hit and muss (like current DV), rather than introducing the "next big thing".
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Well if you know anyone that's in the South Bend, IN area that would like one, I'll be up there this Friday and Saturday. I have one (have to check the model, I had 3) at my ND house. It's free to anyone that can pick it up Friday or Saturday. Was working perfectly when I disconnected it a while ago, remote is included. Message me in interested.
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I'll wait for Super Dolby Vision 2 Max Turbo Championship Edition: The New Challengers
That's an incredible offer. I'm in Texas or I'd take you up on that deal!
I had always considered the black levels to be so poor I was shocked at reading the nameplate (figured it was the regular version) while moving mine to storage some years ago. Probably had plenty of room to turn things down but it would've cost shadow detail.
Mine were inky black and plasma's natural nearly-instant on-off physics. Amazing. Currently really like the Sony A95L and looking forward new RGB tech in upcoming models.
"The Pioneer Kuro plasmas, particularly the Elite PRO-141FD, represent what many consider the pinnacle of display technology that we've never quite matched since. These 2008-2009 displays achieved something remarkable - blacks so deep they seemed to disappear into nothingness, creating an almost three-dimensional sense of depth that modern displays still struggle to replicate.
The 141FD was the ultimate expression of Pioneer's plasma technology. Its 1:1 pixel mapping, combined with the 9th generation Kuro panel, produced contrast ratios that were essentially unmeasurable with conventional equipment. In a dark room, the black areas of the screen appeared to completely vanish, making the lit portions seem to float in space. This wasn't just about deep blacks - it was about the extraordinary gradation between black and near-black, preserving shadow detail that even modern OLEDs can struggle with.
What made these displays special went beyond specifications. The motion resolution was essentially perfect - no blur, no judder, just pure, clean movement that looked completely natural. Colors were accurate without being oversaturated, with a richness and density that came from the plasma's ability to control each subpixel with incredible precision. The viewing angles were flawless, with no color shift or brightness drop-off from any position.
The build quality matched the performance - these were 140+ pound monuments to display engineering, with thick glass panels and professional-grade internals. They ran hot, consumed significant power, and required careful calibration, but enthusiasts didn't care. This was about achieving the absolute best picture quality possible.
Even today, over 15 years later, properly calibrated Kuros in good condition command premium prices and are jealously guarded by their owners. While modern OLEDs have surpassed them in brightness, resolution, and HDR capability, there's still something special about the Kuro's image quality - a naturalness, a film-like quality, an ability to completely disappear and let you forget you're watching a display. The 141FD wasn't just a TV; it was the endpoint of an entire display technology, perfected right before its extinction."
"The Pioneer Kuro plasmas, particularly the Elite PRO-141FD, represent what many consider the pinnacle of display technology that we've never quite matched since. These 2008-2009 displays achieved something remarkable - blacks so deep they seemed to disappear into nothingness, creating an almost three-dimensional sense of depth that modern displays still struggle to replicate.
The 141FD was the ultimate expression of Pioneer's plasma technology. Its 1:1 pixel mapping, combined with the 9th generation Kuro panel, produced contrast ratios that were essentially unmeasurable with conventional equipment. In a dark room, the black areas of the screen appeared to completely vanish, making the lit portions seem to float in space. This wasn't just about deep blacks - it was about the extraordinary gradation between black and near-black, preserving shadow detail that even modern OLEDs can struggle with.
What made these displays special went beyond specifications. The motion resolution was essentially perfect - no blur, no judder, just pure, clean movement that looked completely natural. Colors were accurate without being oversaturated, with a richness and density that came from the plasma's ability to control each subpixel with incredible precision. The viewing angles were flawless, with no color shift or brightness drop-off from any position.
The build quality matched the performance - these were 140+ pound monuments to display engineering, with thick glass panels and professional-grade internals. They ran hot, consumed significant power, and required careful calibration, but enthusiasts didn't care. This was about achieving the absolute best picture quality possible.
Even today, over 15 years later, properly calibrated Kuros in good condition command premium prices and are jealously guarded by their owners. While modern OLEDs have surpassed them in brightness, resolution, and HDR capability, there's still something special about the Kuro's image quality - a naturalness, a film-like quality, an ability to completely disappear and let you forget you're watching a display. The 141FD wasn't just a TV; it was the endpoint of an entire display technology, perfected right before its extinction."
Furnace Inferno
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I assume that’s A.I which has written that?
The Kuros were great no doubt but OLED has long since surpassed them in most areas, the only one it hasn’t is motion because they all use sample and hold rather than PWM but it also means they don’t have the PWM noise that plasmas had which to my eye at least was very noticeable in some scenarios but I suspect it’s a bit like DLP and rainbows as to how susceptible someone is to it.
For SDR though they are definitely still up there and nobody makes TVs like they did with the picture quality at the forefront of everything. With the way TV prices jumped up, I wonder if they would be able to survive in the market now.
The Kuros were great no doubt but OLED has long since surpassed them in most areas, the only one it hasn’t is motion because they all use sample and hold rather than PWM but it also means they don’t have the PWM noise that plasmas had which to my eye at least was very noticeable in some scenarios but I suspect it’s a bit like DLP and rainbows as to how susceptible someone is to it.
For SDR though they are definitely still up there and nobody makes TVs like they did with the picture quality at the forefront of everything. With the way TV prices jumped up, I wonder if they would be able to survive in the market now.
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Even if they could survive in the current market, can you imagine how heavy a 100 inch 4k plasma display would be?
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Well plasma would have died regardless because they couldn’t have made the move to 4K or got the brightness for HDR but I bet the Kuro team would have done some real magic with the OLED panels.
Think of all the money you’d save on heating bills in the winter though
I agree! Really cool to see where OLED and RGB are heading.
YES! They ran so hot! Dual-purpose heaters and TVs at same time!Well plasma would have died regardless because they couldn’t have made the move to 4K or got the brightness for HDR but I bet the Kuro team would have done some real magic with the OLED panels.
Think of all the money you’d save on heating bills in the winter though
I still have and use a Panny Plasma (not Kuro quality, but good). Hot and thick (like 4in).
I love motion on it compared to my Sony A8F or Samsung Frame. The Sony has better blacks.
My real problem (fwp, iykwim) is that for monster movies, I need shadows within shadows within shadows. Of the above, the Sony is best at that. Any recos? Thinking of replacing the frame with a S95F for this reason...
I love motion on it compared to my Sony A8F or Samsung Frame. The Sony has better blacks.
My real problem (fwp, iykwim) is that for monster movies, I need shadows within shadows within shadows. Of the above, the Sony is best at that. Any recos? Thinking of replacing the frame with a S95F for this reason...
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Lest we wonder whether Samsung might finally jump on the bandwagon with Dolby Vision 2, Samsung has now announced HDR10+ Advanced, their own competitor which I'm sure they hope is as wonderfully successful and widely used as HDR10+. Just in case you were worried that the HDR scene would be any less convoluted the next 10 years. 
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Well, LG has previewed their 2026 line-up and is officially not supporting Dolby Vision 2 (yet). Samsung will undoubtedly be supporting their HDR10+ Advanced. Sony has been skipping CES lately and doing their own announcements later, so we'll have to wait to see if Dolby Vision 2 is going to spend 2026 with the Chinese manufacturers and skip the big three.