Saubriz
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Interesting news from Kaleidescape @ CEDIA on 8k titles coming before the end of the year! 
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8k titles coming soon?
- Thread starter Saubriz
- Start date
And suddenly I feel the need to jump on a K waiting list before the real FOMO begins.
Saubriz
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Things have started to move pretty quickly since the K made its debut
8K is going to happen and I canāt wait! It wonāt be the āopening of the floodgatesā like 4KC, but I would buy an 8K of 2001: A Space Odyssey in a heartbeat. It will take a while for 8K to get traction because a lot of people donāt currently have the display to view it. However, I think K-scape is the IDEAL distribution platform for 8K!
I am expecting a better picture when downscaled by the Envy/Lumagen even on a good 4k display. I do not really need 8k resolution as I can't see the pixels from 3m/10ft away anymore anyways on my 12ft/363cm wide P0.84 microled wall anyways. Keen to see how it looks. Cool that 2001 would be the first movie in 8k they do.
Did we watch the same thing? The video I watched said that all they have is some documentaries, and that they won't get anything from Hollywood studios for the foreseeable future. It's possible that the referenced clip of 2001 is an excerpt from an upcoming full 8k release, but also possible that it's just a demo clip; they don't say either way.
Furnace Inferno
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I assume 2001 is being used because they did an 8K restoration for the 4K release so WB already have the assets for it ready to go.
They indicated that past movies shot on film would be good candidates for 8K, which could be very interesting, and stunning, content!
Saubriz
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Quote from the video: āI think that a lot of the 8k content may come from scans of film from major studiosā and then he agrees with the interviewer about the extra cost to the consumers to get this new 8k content. If thatās not a hint of whatās to come, well
Saubriz
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I wonder what an 8k scan file size of 2001 would beā¦200gb plus?
Saubriz
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We all understand the nature of this business, hence the ? on the thread title. Everything is conjecture at this moment. We are just discussing the possibilities and wishing out loud.
True. If they can work with studios to even get a handful of 8Kās out in the next 6 months, I will be happy and impressed. Itās not easy being a pioneer.
Quote from the video: āI think that a lot of the 8k content may come from scans of film from major studiosā and then he agrees with the interviewer about the extra cost to the consumers to get this new 8k content. If thatās not a hint of whatās to come, well
I certainly donāt expect 8Kās to be free. I donāt expect crazy high prices either. K-scape making 4KC upgrades free was a commendable move that really helped the Strato K take off. However, 4KC used the same mezzanine files, while 8K would require new files. So, I donāt expect any free 8K upgrades. If they priced 8K upgrades like they do for HD to 4K, that would be amazing, but that might be too much to ask. The studios are going to want to make a profit on 8K, but hopefully they donāt kill it with crazy prices before it even gets off the ground.
A K4k to K8k pricing structure/upgrade $ akin to disc->digital.
Thank you very much
FURY
This is an interesting aspect to evaluate. A lot of theoretical answers, Iām sure, but itās something to check out in real life. This reminded me of some blu-rays that were advertised as being derived from 4K scans; they sure seemed to look better at 2K as a result. Same could be true for 8Kās viewed at 4K?
Trevor
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Napkin mathing the only 8K short on the store now (Velocitas Machina) gets you the same-ish average video bitrate as 4K_C (in this case ~104-105 mbps). I don't know that 8K movie encodes are going to be (much) larger than 4K_C.
To state it another way...K reps have said many times that the bandwidth/compute/processing required for 8K gave them just enough headroom to also implement 4K_C reliably. It's implied that there isn't much more horsepower available.
Regarding 2001 - distributables already exist for that one (at least in some form). NHK Japan used the full movie as initial launch content on it's 8K channel in 2018.
NHK to Launch 8K Channel Dec. 1 with '2001'
50 year-old movie was chosen because it was shot in 70mm.
www.tvtechnology.com
Furnace Inferno
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Yes this was what I was thinking except I looked at the length and size of Velocitas and extrapolated out that a 2.5hr movies would come in at about 120Gb.Napkin mathing the only 8K short on the store now (Velocitas Machina) gets you the same-ish average video bitrate as 4K_C (in this case ~104-105 mbps). I don't know that 8K movie encodes are going to be (much) larger than 4K_C.
To state it another way...K reps have said many times that the bandwidth/compute/processing required for 8K gave them just enough headroom to also implement 4K_C reliably. It's implied that there isn't much more horsepower available.
Regarding 2001 - distributables already exist for that one (at least in some form). NHK Japan used the full movie as initial launch content on it's 8K channel in 2018.
NHK to Launch 8K Channel Dec. 1 with '2001'
50 year-old movie was chosen because it was shot in 70mm.
Iām guessing itās the same reason they have gone with 24Gbps HDMI 2.1 rather than the full 48Gbps because the file sizes and throughput needed to do 8K 4:4:4 would be too much right now. Probably on the roadmap if 8K gets off the ground for a Cinematic 8K model with 8K UI but thatās got to be at least a decade away from a content and hardware perspective.
We will see indeed, but boy I am excited that finally content will be delivered to us in a higher quality. Now if we see movies in higher frame rates next year as the new normal, then I have to pinch myself if it all is not a dream. It is a bummer that cost of memory and storage went sky high, that is certainly not speeding up the progress hey?