Naiera
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Linus Tech tips talks about Kaleidescape
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JonProphet
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And I’m not wrong.
MattyDaddy76
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I watched this also and being a mostly satisfied Kscape owner for a few months now and having bought almost 100 movies now, I felt there were some statements/opinions that didn’t align with my experience. Yeah, the scrubbing and some other quirks are rather annoying, but things with pricing weren’t totally accurate. Like how special pricing to “buy” a movie for only $9.99 vs renting for $7.99. Also, it kinda missed the point that Kscape isn’t trying to be a “Netflix”. It’s more an alternative/option/convenience to buying 4k disks and everything that goes with that.
I still don’t disagree with their opinion on the price of storage however.. and doubt it’s ever going to get better. Regardless, I’m still good with my 960GB sV for now (although now I’m kinda wishing I had the means for an sK).
Like others have mentioned here, imo, Linus can easily afford an sK and even storage (I’ve seen some of his videos with the huge theater style projector, 1st 115” tcl tv in the US, 136” Hisense RGB etc) so why they make it such a major point on the buy in cost kinda surprised me. Sure it’s not everyone, but if someone like me can get a virtually new 2nd hand sV for about half the price as new, I feel they should have explored those options in the video.
I still don’t disagree with their opinion on the price of storage however.. and doubt it’s ever going to get better. Regardless, I’m still good with my 960GB sV for now (although now I’m kinda wishing I had the means for an sK).
Like others have mentioned here, imo, Linus can easily afford an sK and even storage (I’ve seen some of his videos with the huge theater style projector, 1st 115” tcl tv in the US, 136” Hisense RGB etc) so why they make it such a major point on the buy in cost kinda surprised me. Sure it’s not everyone, but if someone like me can get a virtually new 2nd hand sV for about half the price as new, I feel they should have explored those options in the video.
Agree that the Netflix framing is wrong, but it's because streaming is so dominant now that nobody knows any other option. Like, it's not really even a disc alternative -- the content selection is just too different, and the merits of physical ownership vs. digital licensing are a whole big thing.
Kaleidescape actually is just an alternative TVOD store, like Fandango, Apple TV Store (nee iTunes), and whatever Google is calling its store these days. It has the same selection they all do, it has the same licensing terms they all do, it has the same kinds of promotions they all do. It's just higher video quality, slightly higher content price, and then download-only and limited to their specific hardware. But nobody knows what Fandango is, and people only remember buying movies on iTunes as a thing that maybe you used to do decades ago. So the comparison holds no weight for anyone, which is why they go to streaming and discs as their comparison.
Linus is rich, but his audience isn't, and reviewers want to make content that's relevant for their audience. (I think people in enthusiast forums can be a little detached from how normies think about pricing. The AppleTV is seen as an ultra-expensive, super-high-end device that's overkill for most people and an unjustifiable purpose. And that's not just at its current $299 price, but its previous $129 price. $20 Roku players are where the mainstream lives.)
JonProphet
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Linus helped build YouTube. He's one of the original influencers. He's a personality built on rage click bait and trying to get clicks. Because that's how he gets "rich". I don't put much weight in anything he says or does. Just for framing, I'm definitely anti-influencer....... These people are a waste of space.
Naiera
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Ehh. I don't know about that. Of course he has to play the game a bit, but mostly his videos are quite chill and his "takes" definitely aren't pure ragebait. As contrived as a few of his hangups may be, it's all pretty grounded and it really seems like they're trying to help viewers buy the right tech things for themselves.
How so? You asked, he gave you his opinion.
I think his current TV is some LED thingy from China. It was $20K. I think they cover that in this video, albeit briefly. I'm not sure I'd go Kaleidescape before my screen was OLED, projector (plus Lumagen or MadVR) or one of those pro-level video wall things...
He has some sometimes odd dogmas about what's "worth the money" and what isn't. In the WAN clip he says HELL NO to whether it's worth it or not, but he's a bit less dogmatic about that point in this video. Yet he could buy a K player and the biggest server easy, and he is clearly able to appreciate the improvement compared to UHD Blu-ray that 4K Cinema delivers. But he's never spend the money
You don't need an OLED, Lumagen or MadVR to enjoy Kscape. There are projector screen combinations that are reasonably priced that provide an outstanding picture provided you have some reasonable but not total light control and a screen size and material that are reasonably matched to your projector. Furthermore, IMO, one of the best features of K is the audio which is unrelated to the image and far superior to anything streamed and likely the same setup regardless of the display device. In fact, you are nearly there based on the equipment you have listed.
JonProphet
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Sarcasm was implied in my first question. Arrogance is assuming or making the statement that one MUST do this or one MUST have this otherwise you are making a "mistake". He wasn't presenting his opinion, he was making a statement of fact. Big difference.
Naiera
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To clarify, I am of the opinion that a setup involving a projector and HDR material requires proper DTM, which is, so far, only found in a Lumagen Radiance Pro and the MadVR devices. I don’t sugarcoat things when I spout
this opinion of mine, and of course that will always ruffle a feather or two 
I sincerely hope that the “Luma HDR” thing comes out and has DTM abilities to match the aforementioned, because they are very expensive. My LRP likely won’t last forever and a Luma plus some sort of proper, large HDMI switch will likely be significantly cheaper than aquiring another LRP.
JonProphet
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I agree. Thanks. Yes, I'm sure that Tone Mapping external to projectors help in some sort or fashion. I'm actually getting ready to play with Void as I got in on the beta testing. We'll see. I'm not a fan of the fact that it is certain fact that to get the best, you have to pay tons of cash to some external 3rd party company. It is what it is.To clarify, I am of the opinion that a setup involving a projector and HDR material requires proper DTM, which is, so far, only found in a Lumagen Radiance Pro and the MadVR devices. I don’t sugarcoat things when I spout
I sincerely hope that the “Luma HDR” thing comes out and has DTM abilities to match the aforementioned, because they are very expensive. My LRP likely won’t last forever and a Luma plus some sort of proper, large HDMI switch will likely be significantly cheaper than aquiring another LRP.
Let me remind you that, as mentioned by Naiera, there is a cheaper alternative on the horizon (the Luma).
Naiera
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Oh, you know he is buying one with that Home theater. He even made fun of that in the review.
Houseman
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I think his current TV is some LED thingy from China. It was $20K. I think they cover that in this video, albeit briefly. I'm not sure I'd go Kaleidescape before my screen was OLED, projector (plus Lumagen or MadVR) or one of those pro-level video wall things...
He has some sometimes odd dogmas about what's "worth the money" and what isn't. In the WAN clip he says HELL NO to whether it's worth it or not, but he's a bit less dogmatic about that point in this video. Yet he could buy a K player and the biggest server easy, and he is clearly able to appreciate the improvement compared to UHD Blu-ray that 4K Cinema delivers. But he's never spend the money
He owns a private jet:
He started as a tech “Everyman” but he’s been having a harder time hanging onto that persona, even as he makes his “yacht” jokes in this video, or advocates for “sustainability” in others to try to retain relatability.
I actually appreciate his audience for regularly calling him out when he tiptoes into hypocrisy.
JonProphet
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I’m watching. The fact that the guy has gone radio silent for so long is concerning. As I said, I’m testing Void.
Naiera
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I'm aware.
Gotcha. I hadn't heard of Void (just looked it up); it looks interesting.
And while I don't follow the Luma thread too closely, it does seem like something is up there.
Well, I went ahead yesterday and filmed an "appendix" to the LTT video, just went live this morning. I think this does a pretty good job of clarifying some of the misconceptions and "tips & tricks" that aren't necessarily immediately obvious when you've only played with the hardware for a few weeks.
Ah… that sure explains my experience watching his video so far. Wow, is it ever annoying (not to mention so far fairly misleading). I don’t know if I’ll be able to get through the rest of the video.