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Upcoming AirRemote - Built in Kaleidescape support

Here's a picture of it doing cover art from a Kaleidescape:
ipod-touch-Kaleidescape.jpg

Kaleidescape Cover Art
AirRemote also supports the Kaleidescape
media server ?with all the album/cover art
on the iPhone, and it links to the Web to
bring you more artist/actor/director
information,? Moore says.
 
Thanks for sharing that Josh!:cool:

Jim
 
airremote interface

Hi everyone

We wondered how many of you really use Kaleidescape for music? Do you want an option after you select the Kaleidescape device (at the top level menu) to switch between music and movies OR do you want a separate application for a music player as distinct from a movie player?

thanks

Steve from airremote
 
Steve:

First, thanks for joining the discussion group. We really appreciate the opportunity for direct discussions.

From my perspective, I see a lot of utility for a standalone Ksystem music controller. I would really like to use Kaleidescape to direct music throughout my house instead of my current setup which uses a 6-zone Sonos setup right now. I don't use Kaleidescape for music outside of the media room and bedroom because I want 2 things when I play music: (1) a portable controller for the living, kitchen, deck or front porch as opposed to keypad/wall-mounted control; and (2) direct feedback via a list for what's playing and what will be playing, and the ability to continuously add to the play list.

Other than AMX and Crestron, and the just announced Pronto support (each solution relatively expensive), a simple two-way controller does not exist for Kaleidescape music that is on par with the ease of use and setup offered by Sonos. I have spoken with several other Kaleidescape owners and they also share this concern. A handheld, 2-way capable controller is important for Kaleidescape music control. I haven't purchased a K music player yet, but would seriously consider one if there was also some way to playback volume through the AirRemote application. Have you integrated any specific multi-channel whole house amp for K music controlled through the AirRemote application?

As for K movie control, I would still suggest that an application exist for movie playback control as I could see using an Ipod touch for television and Kaleidescape control in a spare bedroom and the office.

Thanks again for visiting the forum. I look forward to the availability of the AirRemote app and control boxes.

Jay
 
I use the RTI T3 and an RP-6 for Kaleidescape RS-232 control in my media room and the T2+ via IR for other zones.
 
... and also, does ANYONE with Kaleidescape NOT use AMX or Crestron or Control 4?

thanks

Hi Steve,

Only about half of our clients use Crestron, AMX, or one of the other similar products (mostly related to whole house control of some type). The others use RTI, Pronto, or Universal.

Thanks for the interest (and Welcome!)

Jim
 
Hi Steve, welcome to the Forum, glad you joined and can talk with us a bit here about your project (hopefully).

... and also, does ANYONE with Kaleidescape NOT use AMX or Crestron or Control 4?

thanks
YES... I use Kaleidescape for music (~425 CDs) in two zones and i do not have AMX or Crestron or Control 4. I just use my Home Theater Master remotes for controlling the Kscape players, and my theater room also has an on-wall Elan touchpanel, though we don't use it much.

And I do have an iphone... :):):)

--josh
 
Do you want an option after you select the Kaleidescape device (at the top level menu) to switch between music and movies OR do you want a separate application for a music player as distinct from a movie player?

Personally, either would be OK, but I think I'd prefer a single AirRemote application with something like a tab or way to switch from movie-mode to music-mode. But if it were two different apps (might be better for those owners who ONLY use music or movie via kscape), I wouldn't complain.

--josh
 
Hi everyone

We wondered how many of you really use Kaleidescape for music? Do you want an option after you select the Kaleidescape device (at the top level menu) to switch between music and movies OR do you want a separate application for a music player as distinct from a movie player?

thanks

Steve from airremote

During the day I actually use it for music VERY often. At night and on weekends I browse it for shows or movies before bed.

I'd say an option would work best, users may not want to clutter the desktop with multiple apps and it would be a pain to exit to springboard then go back into another program should you decide to change.
 
airremote issues

thanks for your replies

so, in summary

1. music IS important
2. people WOULD like a smaller, meta-data capable, handheld unit
3. you'd prefer ONE app, so you can switch between music/movies

our app is likely to cost $99, plus the cost of an iPod Touch, if you don't have one.

it needs to control volume in the zone, so, two more questions:

- what audio solutions do you use in secondary rooms (a proprietary multrioom system, like NetStreams, AudioAccess, Speakercraft, etc, etc, or a matrix-switched solution into power amps, or what)?

- is the lack of iTunes DRM support, podcasts, internet radio etc. an issue with K'scape for you?
- if K'Scape had a cheaper client (player) would you use more of them?
- would you have an iPod Touch (say) per room, or would you carry one around with you?

thanks for taking the time to answer

Steve
 
For my 2nd and 3rd zones, I simply use the 2nd and 3rd zone outputs off my a/v controller (Lexicon) with local volume controls in each room. No dedicated multiroom distribution system... just extra set of power amps.

I'd probably simply use my iPhone that I usually carry with me anyway... probably wouldn't be an iphone or ipod touch for each zone.

--josh
 
Hi Steve,

I'm doing what Josh is doing, separate procs/amps (Halcro, Levinson's 502). I am, however, using K's Music Player (we sometimes use the MP).

Your other questions:

1. Makes no difference to me (Podcast, Internet Radio, iTunes).

2. In my experience, many more players would be sold if the price point were lower. The new "mini-player" could have been a very attractive piece but unfortunately those I've spoken with are not interested at that price point. K's market is generally people that would rather drop another $1k on a player that can help with importing and has the option to play DVD's (if they had to decide between the two players) (Frankly, ALL of our clients are waiting on BR). The mini-player is however an choice when there is a desire/need to "hide" a player.

3. I probably would own more than one touch.

Jim
 
our app is likely to cost $99, plus the cost of an iPod Touch, if you don't have one.

If it works and has free updates, great

- what audio solutions do you use in secondary rooms (a proprietary multrioom system, like NetStreams, AudioAccess, Speakercraft, etc, etc, or a matrix-switched solution into power amps, or what)?

I believe my dealer hooked it up through crestron, we control volumes in other rooms through a touchpanel for now

- is the lack of iTunes DRM support, podcasts, internet radio etc. an issue with K'scape for you?

Nope
- if K'Scape had a cheaper client (player) would you use more of them?

I'm in the market for one more, but can't see myself needing more than 2 zones
- would you have an iPod Touch (say) per room, or would you carry one around with you?

I use an iPhone, and yes, I'd have only one since I carry it all over.
 
Here's some follow-on answers:

I sometimes use Kaleidescape in secondary zones by having Sonos direct the audio feed to those zones. In the secondary zones, for the most part, I use Sonos which accesses CD content stored on a NAS (the same content that is also imported into Kaleidescape) and also use Rhapsody streaming of various genres (hits from the 90s, 80s or various #1 hits across several decades).

Sonos provides the best (in terms of cost, simplicity and implementation) funtionality for music choice and volume control in various parts of the house, as well as outdoors, which is why I basically have 2 separate music systems - Kaleidescape and Sonos.

Sonos is used in 2 ways - for the main level, I use a Channel Master 12-channel amp set to global that receives one audio feed that is directed out over the various channels. This sends music to the various rooms on the main level as one zone. The Channel Master is also used as an amp to control the outside deck speakers fed by Sonos. This is all wired to the same location. The front porch has another dedicated Sonos box that feeds that zones speakers. Other Sonos boxes are deployed in an office and a guest room, and other in the basement.

Volume control would be important for several of these zones if an AirRemote were used. I would consider purchasing a new multi-channel amp that could be centrally located and controlled through the AirRemote. Marantz has a ZS5300 and that box has 6 channels to control three zones. Crestron has their Adagio solution. The Marantz and a Kscape music player would probably do the trick to control the most used zones (main level, front porch, back deck).

I don't really use Itunes except on an Ipod and all the content comes from the music stored on the Kaleidescape using the Conductor interface. I don't really use podcasts, but Rhapsody is a really good product for what it is, although they really could improve the fidelity of their streams. I use it like a radio and prefer it over Sirius and XM Radio primarily because you can skip songs at the touch of a button, whereas with internet radio, Sirius and XM you're stuck with the song on a particular channel until it's over.

I would absolutely use a cheaper Kscape client for music/movies. In my situation, I would have the cheaper clients all over the house for use at those odd times when you need content at those locations. Because the locations are not used that often for music and movies, the cost justification is not there to add any other clients at the current price point. The movie players I have right now are used often, whereas the other zones would be used 10 times max per year.

I have an Iphone right now. Depending upon the speed of IR using the AirRemote, I would consider using an the ITouch as a remote in spare bedrooms. For music control, I have 3 Sonos controllers on the main level of the house. I can see wanting to replace those controllers with ITouch controllers. It saves looking around for the music controller.

Depending on the activity, I can see carrying around the remote, but other times it's just as convenient to leave it in one room and then pick another one up in the next room. Oftentimes I'm outside playing music, enter the house for some reason for a quick minute without the controller, phone rings and then a controller is needed inside. Multiple controllers avoids that problem. Same if I'm at the front of the house and wander to another part of the house. Multiple controller stations is ideal.

Jay
 
On the Iphone issue, I bought the Iphone for three reasons - best portable, compact alarm clock/timer out there, great for portable music/movies, functional, portable internet browser when quick browsing does not require a computer.

I don't use it as a phone - does not work on the metro here in DC and AT&T has spotty coverage in other locations around the area so I use Verizon (and I wish Verizon had chosen to go with the Iphone).
 
Forgot to answer your other questions...
- is the lack of iTunes DRM support, podcasts, internet radio etc. an issue with K'scape for you?
Not an issue for me. I buy CDs (still) so i can get them into Kscape as well as into our iPods via K Conductor.
- if K'Scape had a cheaper client (player) would you use more of them?
Price isn't as much as an issue as my own time and tinkering as I do my own installations, programming, etc.
- would you have an iPod Touch (say) per room, or would you carry one around with you?
as stated earlier, would probably just use my one iPhone throughout the house, at least initially.
 
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