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What control system do you recommend? Control4 vs Savant or Creston?

I think you'll find that you like this, because it allows you to have the same source playing simultaneously in multiple rooms. Certainly, when it's time for me to do house cleaning, I put something up on YouTube and send it to all my TVs so I can enjoy listening to it as I move from room to room. That wasn't possible when I had dedicated Apple TVs in each room.

With that said, I live alone, so I don't have a use case that calls for different content in different rooms. If you foresee a time when you may have one family member in one room watching something, and another watching something different in another room, then you can just have multiple source devices in the rack. I think one common approach is to have one for each family member, and then they can select "their" Apple TV or Kaleidescape player or whatnot and be assured that they won't conflict with anybody else.
that is a use case I didn't think about! Yeah, my plan is to have 3 apple TVs (one for each kid, and one for parents), two strato players, and possibly spectrum cable TV distributed. When I was looking at overall system price, it probably wasn't that cost effective if I was just going to have Apple TVs only to use the Savant distributed video, but when I got the Kscape demo and fell in love with their user interface and movie quality, it started to make sense to switch back to distributed video because I don't want to have to buy movies on both platforms, although I will probably end up doing that with my kids...hahah.
 

HiFiGuy1

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Authorized Kaleidescape Dealer
I'm planning on a Savant 4k video IP system for my home and would like to distribute kscape throughout the home - the dealer I am working with mentioned dedicating a kscape player in our home theater room, but I prefer to just distribute 2 players over the Savant system. Is there any difference in video quality when distributed over Savant, I don't believe there would be?

Curious if you have regrets in your system design or things you would do differently? Good to hear you like it so well.
Especially if you're getting Terra/Strato C hardware, you should have one of the Strato C units locally in the theater. You can likely locate all your sources in the rack, since you're planning on the Savant video over IP transmitter/receivers, and just distribute one of them around the house. This way you maximize audio/video performance in the theater, and still have the convenience of Strato C video in the rest of the house. Also, whether you choose a 4-input or 8-input transmitter system, you'll gain an additional input by not using both Strato C units on it. In the use case where you would have six devices, with maybe two Strato Cs, two Roku Ultras, and two cable boxes, you could use the 4-input and save a good bit of money by keeping a Strato C and a Roku for local only use.
 

HiFiGuy1

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To be clear, when speaking about Kaleidescape players, if you stop playback in one zone and then go to resume in another zone, the movie will pick up where you left off.

Regarding the OP's question, the media-over-IP systems that I'm familiar with employ some degree of image compression. Keep in mind that a 4K/60 HDMI connection requires an 18Gbps link, so even on a system that is using a 10Gbps Ethernet connection, some compression must be applied. It might be possible to use a mathematically lossless compression with a 10Gbps underlying link, but I don't know if anybody does that. Certainly the systems that use a 1Gbps Ethernet link must use lossy compression

The other factor to consider is audio. Does every zone in your house support lossless Dolby Atmos and DTS:X? Or does the media-over-IP system you're looking at include decode and down-mix functionality to provide a suitable audio signal to your other zones? If not, you could potentially find your audio "dumbed down" to the level of your lowest-quality zone.

For my own home use, I have a Strato player connected to my media-over-IP system (a Crestron NVX in my case, which uses 1Gbps Ethernet) that feeds all of the displays in my house except the theater. I have a dedicated Strato in the theater. Although I've never seen a noticeable artifact on the NVX-connected displays, I wasn't willing to accept anything other than a direct connection for my prime movie zone. Plus, all of my other zones are stereo, while my theater is of course not.

This is just my thinking on the subject. Others are certainly welcome to disagree.
This will become more and more relevant as we progress towards HDMI 2.1 and the associated (up to) 24Gbps data rate. Dedicated HDMI switching with fiber HDMI cables will still be The Way.
 

HiFiGuy1

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Authorized Kaleidescape Dealer
that is a use case I didn't think about! Yeah, my plan is to have 3 apple TVs (one for each kid, and one for parents), two strato players, and possibly spectrum cable TV distributed. When I was looking at overall system price, it probably wasn't that cost effective if I was just going to have Apple TVs only to use the Savant distributed video, but when I got the Kscape demo and fell in love with their user interface and movie quality, it started to make sense to switch back to distributed video because I don't want to have to buy movies on both platforms, although I will probably end up doing that with my kids...hahah.
I think your plan for an Apple TV (personally I'd do Roku Ultra for its superior control integration) for each child and parents is a great idea. As someone mentioned, you can allow the choice of streaming client per user to happen in every video zone because of the centrally distributed video system, which is super nice. My wife and I watch different stuff, so I'd also have three, because I have one child, but the idea is the same. We actually have four, because we have one dedicated for Guests, but you get my drift.
 
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