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My 4K Gap Analysis: Disc has 5x the Exclusives of K
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How does this fit into this discussion? I guess we are talking about exclusives only?
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4K Titles in Store But Not Available on Disc
Here is the update for the March/April 2022 time frame. Total for this period is 24. O/A total is now 601. Here are the additions organized by studio: Latest Totals for this Period (March & April 2022): A24: 1 Eagle Rock: 0 20th Century: 0 Disney: 0 Lionsgate: 3 MGM: 3 Paramount: 3 Sony (HDR)...
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@Edgar you are definitely a fan of boutique label discs. 
The current K Store is a digital movie store like Apple TV (iTunes) and Fandango at Home (Vudu). If you looked up your list on either of those, you'd find that vast majority of the titles aren't available digitally. K's just in the same boat as everyone else.
There are a few items on your list that are on K in 4K, but lack the HDR (Dolby Vision) found on disc:
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Ran was on the K Store in the last year; I was surprised to see it no longer available for sale (might be a hiccup):
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Raw Deal isn't available in 4K in the US yet.
These Disney flicks are exclusive to disc and not available digitally:
Prey, Star Wars: Andor, Star Wars: The Mandolorian S1 & S2
These are the only 4K titles on your list that should be eligible for addition to K:
The Elephant Man
The Martian Extended Edition
Starman
Star Trek TMP: Director's Cut
The Wicker Man
Many of the other HD and DVD titles fall into similar categories and are unavailable digitally. Some highlights that should be available that I'd personally like to see added include Enemy Mine HD and Return to Oz HD.
The current K Store is a digital movie store like Apple TV (iTunes) and Fandango at Home (Vudu). If you looked up your list on either of those, you'd find that vast majority of the titles aren't available digitally. K's just in the same boat as everyone else.
There are a few items on your list that are on K in 4K, but lack the HDR (Dolby Vision) found on disc:
Rollerball
The star of a violent, futuristic sport defies the demands of the global corporations who control the world. Action, Sci-Fi, Sports. Directed by Norman Jewison. Starring James Caan, John Houseman, Maud Adams, and John Beck. Purchase and download today in 4K Ultra HD.
www.kaleidescape.com
Star Trek: Strange New Worlds (Season 1)
In 2259, Captain Pike shakes dark visions of his future to lead the crew of the USS Enterprise on a series of daring missions. Sci-Fi, Adventure. Starring Anson Mount, Ethan Peck, Jess Bush, and Christina Chong. Purchase and download today in 4K Ultra HD.
www.kaleidescape.com
Star Trek: Strange New Worlds (Season 2)
The USS Enterprise's crew reconcile with their pasts on a series of timeline and reality bending missions. Sci-Fi, Adventure. Starring Anson Mount, Ethan Peck, Christina Chong, and Melissa Navia. Purchase and download today in 4K Ultra HD.
www.kaleidescape.com
Ran
An aging warlord's two eldest sons fight over the kingdom, while his youngest son predicts a dire outcome. War, Epic, Period. Directed by Akira Kurosawa. Starring Tatsuya Nakadai, Akira Terao, Jinpachi Nezu, and Daisuke Ryu.
www.kaleidescape.com
Raw Deal isn't available in 4K in the US yet.
These Disney flicks are exclusive to disc and not available digitally:
Prey, Star Wars: Andor, Star Wars: The Mandolorian S1 & S2
These are the only 4K titles on your list that should be eligible for addition to K:
The Elephant Man
The Martian Extended Edition
Starman
Star Trek TMP: Director's Cut
The Wicker Man
Many of the other HD and DVD titles fall into similar categories and are unavailable digitally. Some highlights that should be available that I'd personally like to see added include Enemy Mine HD and Return to Oz HD.
Night of the Comet, Life-force, Lost Highway, Mulholland Drive, Nightbreed, and Quigley Down Under are boutique (Shout & Criterion).
Basic Instinct 4K isn't yet available in the US.
Leon: The Professional Extended (Intl Cut) is available on K in 4K. The issue is the Extended Cut w/Atmos is limited to 4K SDR:
Léon, the Professional
A precise and calculating hit man reluctantly takes in a young girl bent on avenging her family's murder. Action, Drama, Crime. Directed by Luc Besson. Starring Jean Reno, Gary Oldman, Natalie Portman, and Danny Aiello. Purchase and download today in 4K HDR.
www.kaleidescape.com
Theoretically, K should have access to Chernobyl (HBO Series) and Breakdown (Paramount).
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That list is 4K movies on K that aren't on disc. This discussion is 4K discs that aren't on K.How does this fit into this discussion? I guess we are talking about exclusives only?
4K Titles in Store But Not Available on Disc
Here is the update for the March/April 2022 time frame. Total for this period is 24. O/A total is now 601. Here are the additions organized by studio: Latest Totals for this Period (March & April 2022): A24: 1 Eagle Rock: 0 20th Century: 0 Disney: 0 Lionsgate: 3 MGM: 3 Paramount: 3 Sony (HDR)...
The list of 4K not on disc hasn't been updated in some time. I'm sure if someone took the time to do so they'd find that quite a few titles have made their way to physical media. Further, due to changes in the market, the number of 4K discs not on K is growing weekly. If the pendulum hasn't swung back, it's likely to in the not too distant future.
But, this is physical vs. digital, not discs vs. K. Apple is worth 3 trillion dollars and doesn't have these movies digitally.
It's not a K issue, it's the market. (Now, not having The Abyss Special Edition in 4K HDR is definitely a K issue.)
BHD “Extended Version,” pardon me. Definitely available on UHD as I have it in hand.Night of the Comet, Life-force, Lost Highway, Mulholland Drive, Nightbreed, and Quigley Down Under are boutique (Shout & Criterion).
Black Hawk Down's Director's Cut (which it isn't) was brought up in the Missing Alternate Cuts thread and is limited to DVD.
Basic Instinct 4K isn't yet available in the US.
Leon: The Professional Extended (Intl Cut) is available on K in 4K. The issue is the Extended Cut w/Atmos is limited to 4K SDR:
Léon, the Professional
A precise and calculating hit man reluctantly takes in a young girl bent on avenging her family's murder. Action, Drama, Crime. Directed by Luc Besson. Starring Jean Reno, Gary Oldman, Natalie Portman, and Danny Aiello. Purchase and download today in 4K HDR.
Theoretically, K should have access to Chernobyl (HBO Series) and Breakdown (Paramount).
Léon only shows up as the theatrical version in K. I base this on runtime. If you’re seeing something I am not, I am definitely eager to learn.
I stand corrected on Black Hawk Down. Not only is it on the 4K UHD, but Vudu has it digitally:
That should definitely be added to K! Thanks for this.
I can confirm that the K release of Leon includes Theatrical and Extended in HD and 4K SDR, and Theatrical only in 4K HDR. The Extended Cut has Atmos in both HD and 4K SDR. (Extended 4K HDR w/Atmos is missing.)
thrillcat
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Ran must have changed hands, or is currently changing hands. I own the 4K HDR version, but when I look at it now, there is no studio information listed.@Edgar you are definitely a fan of boutique label discs.
Ran was on the K Store in the last year; I was surprised to see it no longer available for sale (might be a hiccup):
Ran
An aging warlord's two eldest sons fight over the kingdom, while his youngest son predicts a dire outcome. War, Epic, Period. Directed by Akira Kurosawa. Starring Tatsuya Nakadai, Akira Terao, Jinpachi Nezu, and Daisuke Ryu.
I appreciate the info on Léon! I don’t see that info on the listing. Perhaps an oversight?
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Yeah, all of K’s interfaces are pretty bad at communicating options on Leon. The alternate versions aren’t special features/extras. In your screenshot from the web, click on Show Features. You can also look at Show Available Audio Tracks.
Not to deviate off-topic, but are there any other notable titles you can think of that do not disclose alternative versions being included?
The only times I'd consider something "hidden" is when K only has one version but it's actually an alternative cut. Examples include Robocop and Peter Jackson's King Kong. In general, you'll find alternative cuts in the Show Features section, and not in Special Features/Extras. That's a more recent thing, and something I find rather frustrating as it likely means the alternative cuts are lower resolution and/or lower audio (Avatar, The Abyss, Aliens).
There's also the rather confusing situation where multiple cuts are listed in Show Features, and one of them is simply "Movie". Most likely this is the Theatrical Cut, but it doesn't say so. This was a source of confusion for Leon. I remember this film simply being "The Professional", with "Leon: The Professional" becoming the norm on home video as the extended cut. So, in my head, if I see "Leon: The Professional", I assume extended cut. Oh well.
I'm at the point where I'd rather K simply release/sell all of the alternate cuts separately. At least on some higher profile titles. That way K could see who actually cares about these, and whether they're worth investing in. Apple/Fandango offer all three cuts of Apocalypse Now in 4K Dolby Vision, but you have to buy them separately (or in a bundle). Meanwhile, K only has Final Cut in 4K HDR and the others are limited to HD. WTF?
If resources are limited, then charge for everything. But, continually offering "lesser" releases just makes me buy the disc.
I quite agree and having finally given up on Abyss and Aliens I am now importing Abyss on disc. The thought crossed my mind that were it not for the films I have already paid for on K that I would probably be better off with R_Volution especially as I have almost finished ripping all my discs. I have 53% space left on my 22TB Terra and honestly at this rate I am going to struggle to fill it as my disc collection keeps expanding.
Could I be the first person to replace K with something else? Perhaps K should get a new tag line 'A pretty good movie platform, if a tad on the expensive side, that is slowly over time becoming less relevant'.
I do hope that K doesn't eventually become a 4K SDR only platform for theatrical release versions targeted at small/boutique cinemas.
audioguy123
Well-known member
'A good movie platform, if a tad on the expensive side, that is slowly over time becoming less relevant”
Considering all of the movies from Amazon, Netflix, snd smaller studios, and other missing titles, et al, I’d say that is a pretty fair description.
Considering all of the movies from Amazon, Netflix, snd smaller studios, and other missing titles, et al, I’d say that is a pretty fair description.
I would agree if the Amazon and Netflix movies were actually good movies. I'm not saying that all of those movies are bad, but I don't waste my time trying to watch them bc most of them haven't been good in my eyes; but your mileage vary.
Where I'm disappointed with K is that there are several newer films from the smaller distribution houses that K doesn't have, but that are available on the major streamers. If I had to guess, those smaller distros want to charge K more than what K is willing to pay; and likely more than what the big streamers are paying.
Edgar
Active member
Sorry for the delay in replying, it's been a busy couple of days.@Edgar you are definitely a fan of boutique label discs.
The current K Store is a digital movie store like Apple TV (iTunes) and Fandango at Home (Vudu). If you looked up your list on either of those, you'd find that vast majority of the titles aren't available digitally. K's just in the same boat as everyone else.
There are a few items on your list that are on K in 4K, but lack the HDR (Dolby Vision) found on disc:
Rollerball
The star of a violent, futuristic sport defies the demands of the global corporations who control the world. Action, Sci-Fi, Sports. Directed by Norman Jewison. Starring James Caan, John Houseman, Maud Adams, and John Beck. Purchase and download today in 4K Ultra HD.Star Trek: Strange New Worlds (Season 1)
In 2259, Captain Pike shakes dark visions of his future to lead the crew of the USS Enterprise on a series of daring missions. Sci-Fi, Adventure. Starring Anson Mount, Ethan Peck, Jess Bush, and Christina Chong. Purchase and download today in 4K Ultra HD.Ran was on the K Store in the last year; I was surprised to see it no longer available for sale (might be a hiccup):Star Trek: Strange New Worlds (Season 2)
The USS Enterprise's crew reconcile with their pasts on a series of timeline and reality bending missions. Sci-Fi, Adventure. Starring Anson Mount, Ethan Peck, Christina Chong, and Melissa Navia. Purchase and download today in 4K Ultra HD.
Ran
An aging warlord's two eldest sons fight over the kingdom, while his youngest son predicts a dire outcome. War, Epic, Period. Directed by Akira Kurosawa. Starring Tatsuya Nakadai, Akira Terao, Jinpachi Nezu, and Daisuke Ryu.
Raw Deal isn't available in 4K in the US yet.
These Disney flicks are exclusive to disc and not available digitally:
Prey, Star Wars: Andor, Star Wars: The Mandolorian S1 & S2
These are the only 4K titles on your list that should be eligible for addition to K:
The Elephant Man
The Martian Extended Edition
Starman
Star Trek TMP: Director's Cut
The Wicker Man
Many of the other HD and DVD titles fall into similar categories and are unavailable digitally. Some highlights that should be available that I'd personally like to see added include Enemy Mine HD and Return to Oz HD.
Thank you for taking the time to review my list and give some insights into what I'm experiencing.
And yes, I do appear to be fan of the films that boutique labels are picking up. I'm not sure there's a consistent defining characteristic for what boutique means other than the studios have chosen not to release the 4K versions themselves. Why a studio would choose one Oscar-worthy or indie film to publish itself versus license out doesn't seem to be a thing I can make sense of. As it happens, this large volume of boutique 4K discs only made itself evident when I catalogued discs I had watched maybe just once, and so not among my 150 core priority movies for me after all. But even the once is meaningful, I enjoy seeing those movies in my dedicated theater.
And yes, I get that most of these titles are under physical exclusive deals. Knowing the reason doesn't really help the situation. I still have to keep using and buying discs to get the full quality I want out of my theater. It's not a huge problem, but rather something I felt was a bit swept under the rug.
And while I will find myself sometimes watching things in HD, it's only for shows that have no chance of getting to 4K. I am prioritizing the sharpest 4K visuals possible. I watched Andor on 4K disc last night, and it is so much sharper and with much more immersive audio than the Disney+ stream. That this full 4K version is only on disc is something I'll have to keep dealing with.
Luckily, I don't expect this will be the majority of my viewing. I'm relieved that the vast majority of my movie viewing is handled well by Kaleidescape. Especially for new movies, as another member mentioned. There simply isn't a single solution to have access to best versions of all film and television. If anything, that's my main point by noting the discrepancy in title collections.
Quick note: I just discovered that the K Store has both cuts of Peter Jackson's King Kong in 4K HDR. If you search, you'll only see one. It isn't listed as the Extended Cut, but the length gives it away. However, there's an "Other Editions" link on the listing that will take you to the Theatrical Cut. Again, the artwork and everything else looks identical. In this case, it really is a "hidden" cut.
(Usually the "Other Editions" link refers to an older version of the film no longer available, or legacy functionality from disc cataloging.)
So when you buy the one you get both versions automatically, correct?
No, you have to buy them both. Which I support. But, it's very weird that you don't get two different listings when you search the store (I have to think that this tanks sales of the Theatrical Cut). Perhaps this is because they're named the same? Maybe @MikeKobb should check this out.