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“Uber Terra”

Vodder

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Not sure I ever posted this outside of a PM with someone, probably @cinelife 😎

anyways, was thinking of a way to expand Terra beyond 40TB and came up with the idea of leveraging a 3U chassis acting as a JBOD extension to an existing Terra.

Likely support 12 3.5” disks. Buy the chassis and then add additional disks as required.

no idea how the kOS works but perhaps likely you need a Terra already and then this JBOD (just a bunch of disks- always loved that acronym!) would basically attach and greater expand its array/partition etc.

at some point power and rack space becomes an issue so having this capability, guess in a sense similar to the Premier 3U and 5000 series, then would be a great option that I think quite a few of us, particularly with large collections, would be interested in.

thoughts?
 
I’m not sure why they’re still using 10TB drives. At minimum, they should go to 12TB drives to match the Strato for 48TB total. I suspect they have some 10Tb drives to use up, and then we’ll see larger sizes.

If they went to 18TB drives, they could match the largest 3U capacity (72TB). I have no idea if the drives in that size meet K’s reliability requirements.

I also suspect that the studios’ security requirements for 4K content aren’t compatible with the 3U.

It would be nice to repurpose a Premiere server in an Encore system, though. Maybe for SD and HD content only (like the Alto).
 
But I don’t think the Premiere servers will ever be compatible with Encore systems. It adds expense (software maintenance) and takes away sales.
 
Yeah, this would be net new encore hardware. Nothing to do with premier. Technically if it was a JBOD chassis, it could support any size disk that kOS would allow
 
While I understand you're just presenting an idea, unfortunately doing anything like that would violate at least two areas of the Service and License Agreement (SLA) that all owners agree to when they register their systems, and likely result in a termination of warranty and service support for the affected system(s), including the ability to receive KEAOS updates in the future. (Sorry, not trying to be the K police here, but can't help putting my "lawyer hat" back on to remind members they cannot modify these systems without possible consequences.)

I'm sure many owners don't even read the SLA before agreeing to its terms.

Jim
 
Yeah, I' didn't read the SLA. But I knew what I was getting in to though. After all, K must be able to reasonably ensure copywrite protection for media as well as their own intellectual property.

When you look at just the price of bare hard disk storage, there's a huge disparity between that cost vs what K charges for equivalent storage. But K isn't selling bare hard disks. They're selling a service that you simply cannot obtain anywhere else.

Don't get me wrong, I'd LOVE cheaper storage, but I understand why it can't be, and I don't expect it to happen.

What would be cool is if you could eventually upgrade storage. It seems the current Terras use 6TB or 10TB drives. I belive the drives on the Terra are user/field swappable? If so, I think it'd be great if there was an option one day to purchase larger size drives from K to replace the existing ones.

There are currently drives up to 18TB per drive. I have NO idea if those drives or that capacity is compatible with K, but if they were, you could have up to a 72 TB Terra server!
 
I'm optimistic that some of these storage concerns will improve going forward.........

Jim
 
I'm optimistic that some of these storage concerns will improve going forward.........

Jim

Can't wait for something like progressively downloaded playback. :) Buffer for a minute or so then play. Show the entire collection on my wall.

For regular home use and with high speed reliable internet, I don't need to keep any of my content locally for any reason other than that's how the system works.
 
While I understand you're just presenting an idea, unfortunately doing anything like that would violate at least two areas of the Service and License Agreement (SLA) that all owners agree to when they register their systems, and likely result in a termination of warranty and service support for the affected system(s), including the ability to receive KEAOS updates in the future. (Sorry, not trying to be the K police here, but can't help putting my "lawyer hat" back on to remind members they cannot modify these systems without possible consequences.)

I'm sure many owners don't even read the SLA before agreeing to its terms.

Jim
You referring to me here Jim or something/someone else? I was simply suggesting an idea for a possible new product for K to look into and potentially release. Same as with software feature suggestions. A fully licensed product(s), manufactured and supported by K, not a hack or after market upgrade.
 
I'm optimistic that some of these storage concerns will improve going forward.........

Jim

I can never tell Jim if you are optimistic or you know something is on the horizon!! I am really hoping something comes down the pipe as this last D2D and Holiday specials have me tapped out of my 12TB of data. For now I will play the swapping game.
 
You referring to me here Jim or something/someone else? I was simply suggesting an idea for a possible new product for K to look into and potentially release. Same as with software feature suggestions. A fully licensed product(s), manufactured and supported by K, not a hack or after market upgrade.

No, no, not at all my friend, and nothing wrong with throwing out ideas. I received an email asking if what you suggested could be done independent of K. I explained why it couldn't be done, and then decided to remind owners there is an SLA that controls what we can and cannot do with these systems. You're fine!:)

Jim
 
I can never tell Jim if you are optimistic or you know something is on the horizon!! I am really hoping something comes down the pipe as this last D2D and Holiday specials have me tapped out of my 12TB of data. For now I will play the swapping game.

Although I do hear "things," from time to time, and I'm not always able to comment, in this particular case it is my opinion that we will eventually see some options for increasing storage that doesn't necessarily involve buying another device.

Jim
 
Although I do hear "things," from time to time, and I'm not always able to comment, in this particular case it is my opinion that we will eventually see some options for increasing storage that doesn't necessarily involve buying another device.

Jim
This would be awesome if it were to become possible. Hope K sees and hears this!
 
For myself, I have a Stratos that is totally maxed out and a Premiere system with 40TB of very expensive free space. I would be 100% willing to sacrifice everything on my Premiere 3U server if I could use it for my Encore system instead. Ditto my Disk Vault. In fact, I'd kill to be able to do that. I'm kinda boycotting the Terra for now mainly because I'm a bit peeved that Kaleidescape sold me so much storage that I can't really use any more.
 
For myself, I have a Stratos that is totally maxed out and a Premiere system with 40TB of very expensive free space. I would be 100% willing to sacrifice everything on my Premiere 3U server if I could use it for my Encore system instead. Ditto my Disk Vault. In fact, I'd kill to be able to do that. I'm kinda boycotting the Terra for now mainly because I'm a bit peeved that Kaleidescape sold me so much storage that I can't really use any more.

I'm not sure why you would blame K, the 3U continues to work exactly as it was designed, and of course it can still be used to import disc based content, and SD/HD content from the Store, so not understanding why you would say "...can't really use any more." The only thing it cannot do is import 4K content, but that shouldn't come as a surprise, it was neither marketed nor sold with that capability.

Jim
 
I'm not sure why you would blame K, the 3U continues to work exactly as it was designed, and of course it can still be used to import disc based content, and SD/HD content from the Store, so not understanding why you would say "...can't really use any more." The only thing it cannot do is import 4K content, but that shouldn't come as a surprise, it was neither marketed nor sold with that capability.

Jim
Well as far as blaming K, I suppose that it isn't their fault, but I was totally happy with my 3U server when my dealer came to me and said that K was having a sale on disks and that I should get more space (I had about substantial amounts of free space at the time) because I'd need the disk space if Kaleidescape went to 4K. So I maxed out my server and it now says that I have space for 692 Blu-ray or 3,832 DVDs. While Kscape never actively marketed the Premiere system as having 4K capability, the dealer certainly implied that when he suggested I "future-proof" my system. I suppose that it is theoretically possible that there would be that many titles that don't exist as UHD/HDR downloads that I might eventually fill that space but that seems to be happening very, very slowly. The recent sales led to my buying downloaded versions of titles I already had on disk, but that wouldn't be a meaningful change to my disk usage as I will eventually be deleting the disk versions of titles I've downloaded. In the last year, I've barely made a dent in the unused space on my Premiere server while I've already purchased twice the capacity of my Stratos player, with the only solution offered is to buy even more disk space. I'll probably do it eventually as I have no other choice, but the bitter aftertaste of doing that will go a long way to offsetting the warm and fuzzy feelings that I would otherwise have toward the product. Whatever the reasons, I am slowly being transformed from an evangelist to a resentful and dissasfied customer through no actions of my own other that having previously been willing to fork over virtually unlimited sums to Kaleidescape.
 
First, I'd take that back to your dealer.....K has never had "a sale" on KDISKS (drives). Unfortunately, K can't be there to monitor what dealers tell their clients. I can assure you, K has NEVER indicated to any dealer that 4K was possible, or would ever be possible, on a Premiere system. It was clear to everyone paying attention at the time that this would never be permitted by the studios, in addition to the fact that the Premiere components were never designed to support 4K, and that a completely new architecture would be need to be developed to handle 4K, just like every other physical disc player in the market.

That said, I can certainly understand your frustration, but your resentment should be aimed at your AV dealer, not Kaleidescape, IMO. My only point above was that you can still use the 3U for other non-UHD content, but obviously you're trying to move mostly to 4K at this point, and clearly you have a bunch of storage capability that doesn't support that, so I get the frustration.

If interested, reach out to me privately and I'll see what I can do for you.

Jim
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