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Old Feb 13th, 2018
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If that's literally all you want to control I'd go with a Logitech Harmony or RTI. C4 or Crestron would be a waste of money.
Yeah, you're probably right. Where C4 shines is whole-home integration. For a single setup, Harmony can do just fine, but not sure about the Co-Star switching. RTI would definitely be more deeply programmable and can work great as a single room setup but can also be expanded into whole-home integration.
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Old Feb 13th, 2018
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I'd recommend simplecontrol for your needs. It's straight forward to set-up, compatible with kaleidescape and allows you to browse through your movie library with cover art.
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Old Feb 13th, 2018
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With that basic usage, C4 might make the most sense. I love Crestron, but it's my preference when you need to control a whole house worth of lights, HVAC, media, check your pool's temperature, shades, etc., etc., etc. It is so unbelievably powerful and infinitely customizable.

Crestron is great stuff, but you REALLY need a programmer who knows what they're doing. It's not easy, but can really sing in the right hands. C4 is far easier to program, so if BB/Magnolia was doing it...C4.

What about RTI? Personally, that's my go-to.
I use nothing but RTI.
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Old Feb 14th, 2018
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For the people here- which do you prefer? Control 4 or crestron? All I want to do is control a Samsung TV with built-in apps, an Apple TV, a meridian receiver and a Kaleidescape system with a switch between the Encore and the Premiere.
Here's another vote for SimpleControl. Has worked VERY well for me for several years. I use it to control JVC projector, Anthem D2V, Cinema One Gen 2, AppleTV, Tivo, Sonos speakers, and OPPO blu-ray player. Not difficult to program and has some pretty nice features like synchronizing across iOS devices and basic integration with Amazon Alexa. The solution is iOS only though, so you'd have to get in the Apple ecosystem. I'm very happy with it.

There is a newer version, 5.x, that was recently recently released and it had some pretty significant UI changes. I haven't moved to that release yet but there were a few long-time users that were disappointed in the flatter, more monotone, graphics palette. Sadly, I'm seeing more of that design trend so I'll have to adjust when I eventually upgrade.
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Here's another vote for SimpleControl.
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The solution is iOS only though, so you'd have to get in the Apple ecosystem.
That's the blocker for me. I very much want to give SimpleControl a try but I have 0 investment in iOS and can't bring myself to play in Apple's walled garden just for a control system.

I'm decidedly lower end than either C4 or Crestron but I am able to control my projector, receiver, lights, thermostat, Roku, and Kaleidescape systems with a Harmony Ultimate home via a mix of IP and IR control. It's not nearly as sophisticated but it's also a fraction of the price.
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Old Feb 14th, 2018
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..........I'm decidedly lower end than either C4 or Crestron but I am able to control my projector, receiver, lights, thermostat, Roku, and Kaleidescape systems with a Harmony Ultimate home via a mix of IP and IR control. It's not nearly as sophisticated but it's also a fraction of the price.


In the end, that's all that matters.

It's also safer to be less complex. Many of my friends and clients have Crestron and frankly regret putting those systems in their homes. They can certainly do a lot, but they can also cost a lot to maintain if you regularly change components. There can also be issues if your programmer is no longer available, as has happened to a friend (and forum member). He's been trying to locate a Crestron programmer to fix some issues he's encountered, and help add some new components......for more than a year!


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In the end, that's all that matters.

It's also safer to be less complex. Many of my friends and clients have Crestron and frankly regret putting those systems in their homes. They can certainly do a lot, but they can also cost a lot to maintain if you regularly change components. There can also be issues if your programmer is no longer available, as has happened to a friend (and forum member). He's been trying to locate a Crestron programmer to fix some issues he's encountered, and help add some new components......for more than a year!


Jim
Great points. Crestron is not for the faint of heart. Awesome when you have a masterful programmer and a good relationship with them, but I've helped out a ton of clients who have not been happy with Crestron systems they got from another company. Often times, it was simply not the right tool for the job and they were honestly oversold. Again, it can be a work of art when you have to do a home that's practically on a commercial scale and you need TOTAL control. I've seen it be incredible in the right hands, and I've seen it poorly implemented/supported too.
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Another excellent option is ProControl. See if they carry that? It's a spinoff from RTI, has some of the exact same hardware, but is a bit more geared toward setups like yours versus total home control.

The pricing is very competitive, and although it still takes your local dealer to program it, the programming's a snap. I was usually able to be all done in less than 30 minutes, and that was when I was just learning the software. A rep showed me a demo of the software and he was able to bust out a sample program in about 5 minutes. Not quite as easy as Harmony, but FAR more customizable.

It's a great middle ground between Harmony and RTI/C4/Savant/etc.
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Old Feb 26th, 2018
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Default Control 4 or Crestron question about remote programming

I have a fairly extensive Control4 installation that was designed, installed, and is currently maintained by Magnolia. Not sure if you’ve already decided to abandon that route or not, but if you want to hear about my experience with Control4 generally, or with K-Scape specifically, let me know.
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Old Feb 27th, 2018
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I have a fairly extensive Control4 installation that was designed, installed, and is currently maintained by Magnolia. Not sure if you’ve already decided to abandon that route or not, but if you want to hear about my experience with Control4 generally, or with K-Scape specifically, let me know.
I am curious - as I am thinking about an extensive Control4 installation for our new home.
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