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Old May 16th, 2010
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Thumbs down Limitations on Music Database Editing

I find that one of the most frustrating features of the music system is that any changes to the artist field wipe out all metadata for all other fields -- so that if you change the artist's name for a CD, you need to re-enter all of other data for the CD, including every single song.

Now, you might wonder why one would need to make changes to the artist field. I doubt that many changes are needed, if any, when dealing with traditional rock/pop CDs. But the problem becomes truly annoying when working with classical albums. Sometimes the artist shows up as the composer (like J.S. Bach), sometimes the artist shows up as the conductor, sometimes the artist shows up as the orchestra, sometimes the artist shows up as the soloists -- all of which makes searching for classical albums by artist a complete nightmare.

The same is true of recordings of musicals. Sometimes the artist is the composer, sometimes it's the lyricist, sometimes it's both the composer and the lyricist, and sometimes it's something really helpful like "Original Broadway Cast."

I would have thought that Kaleidescape would release a music management system that's at least as powerful and as easy to use as free software like iTunes or Windows Media Player. But I guess not. Does anyone know whether Kaleidescape plans to remedy this problem -- or whether they even view this as a problem? I have been in touch with at least one engineer who says that Kaleidescape is aware of the issue and that they intentionally "locked-down" the artist field as a way of preserving all of the metadata associated with a CD. But I find that explanation to be truly unsatisfying.

These guys hit a grand slam with their movie management system. I was truly dissapointed (and slightly horrified) by the inadequacies of their music management system.
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Old May 16th, 2010
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From what I've seen, they're not much focused on the music end of things. I agree, I find it lacking as well in many areas, but I imagine the people affected are in the minority
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Old May 16th, 2010
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That's exactly my experience as well. My own guess is that they threw together the music system as a less costly way to attract customers to the Kaleidescape experience. And if you mainly listen to rock and pop, you will probably be satisfied. But for the rest of us, who listen to classical music or broadway musicals, it's a real problem. We are likely going to dump the Kaleidescape music server as a result.
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Old May 17th, 2010
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I have had many issues with the music database for classic rock/ pop music as well....
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Old May 17th, 2010
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I "think" we will see major improvements to music soon.


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Old May 17th, 2010
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Jim, thanks for the response. Can I ask you two questions:

1. Why do you "think" that we will see major changes to music soon? This is important to me, because absent major changes in the very, very near future, we had planned to dump K-Scape for music management.

2. Will the improvements include eliminating the annoying problem of losing all metadata (album name, track names, everything) if you edit the artist field?
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Old May 18th, 2010
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I "think" we will see major improvements to music soon.


Jim

That would be nice as I've been eyeing up SONOS to replace the music bit of kscape
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Old May 18th, 2010
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Now if we can find a way to import my iTunes library without my having to burn 100 CD's (and manually entering all of the artist/song info!).
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Old May 18th, 2010
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I suspect (and have previously posted) that enabling importing of MP3s would put K in a weird legal spot, though it WOULD be nice. Then I can import albums I buy from Amazon (via MP3 download) and various singles.

Even better would be managing collections/playlists from iTunes or some other desktop software.
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Old May 18th, 2010
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Wow, sorry guys, didn't think the post would get that much attention. As you all know, K doesn't normally make announcements about future products/plans, the BR Player release was an exception, and look at the heat generated there when there was a delay.

That's the case here, there has not been any official announcement on the music front and my comment is based on informal conversations I've had in the recent past. To say more would both, invoke some speculation on my part (not good), and perhaps cause problems for those people involved in the conversations.

Patience!


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